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you're in the paracast

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the gold standard of paranormal radio

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and now

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well chris o'brien is on special

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assignment and you'll hear a little bit

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about that in this weekend's episode of

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our after the power cast podcast

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but we do have a special guest here he

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is not the guest that you might have

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expected because that

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show has been postponed for a while but

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you will hear one of my old dear friends

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and he's not getting any older he seems

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to live forever he is alan greenfield

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welcome back to the power cast

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i'm not getting any older oh no

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all these people that are the same age

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as me are dying off like flies okay i

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intend to stay around as long as my

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within a year or two of your age david

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bowie

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yes annette

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she died a year ago no she just died

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oh well i heard she died a year ago but

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that that's from standing in line at the

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grocery store

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okay was she 69 too that's she was seven

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ah well she was an old look let's look

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at it this way bill clinton is still

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kicking and sylvester stallone is still

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making muscle movies he was a 1946 child

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and i don't know about cher the things

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in line say she's dying but then they

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said bob hope was dying for 10 years

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before he actually

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uh shuffled off to buff and let's see

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who else oh donald trump there's the

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good news or the bad news depending on

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where you're coming from you're in

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arizona so i guess it's good news for

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most of your

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arizona friends but trump is 69 and a

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little older than me by a couple of

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months but i'm in excellent health

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other than strains from my rigid

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exercise regimen and

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the girls seem to like me and i

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what can i say

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i've lived a full life so far

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you sound like you're going to break

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into song and sing my way no that's one

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of those songs that only people who are

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about to die saying so

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i'm more into the old man riba

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tired of living

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no singing we have to pay for the rights

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but david bowie once sang a song

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based on the same melody

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that paul anka acquired when he wrote my

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way but it had different lyrics

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well that's astonishing and i hope that

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the various

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the states settle that is paul anka

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still alive or is he

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my son has a beach movie out now called

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the sand it's the standard beach movie

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but with the roger corman twist

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uh the sand eats the people on the beach

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after they you know flash their you know

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well it looks like here paul anka

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is 74 years of age he's still alive

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i don't know if his brother andy is or

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not he had a younger brother andy anka

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whom i knew years ago

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he was a songwriter and as a matter of

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fact he wrote a couple of songs that my

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wife sang

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wow that's impressive but then

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did they make the local hit parade

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you know one of the songs that she's

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saying not written by andy anka but

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someone else

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that one actually got some airplay

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around the country but we couldn't

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generate sales from that and since we

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were talking about david bowie here's

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the david bowie connection we have of

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course the six degrees of kevin bacon

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and the two degrees of david bowie are

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the fact that one of the keyboard

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synthesizer

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developers that he worked with in let's

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dance a guy named rob sabino who played

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with sheik and with madonna

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a couple of sessions for my wife rob

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well i can tell you this it's about all

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i can say about david boy although i

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liked his music

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from the beginning and you know he he

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had space themes pretty much throughout

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his brand new album that came out just a

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few days ago uh obviously was in

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anticipation of death as the irs likes

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and uh

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i think that bowie

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the response around the world is the

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largest i've

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seen since john lennon was assassinated

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something i mean i would not have

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expected that he was certainly you know

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way a major

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musical influence but nevertheless uh he

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you know to get that that level of

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response shows something about the

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public mind and

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i you can only respect that kind of uh

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outpouring that has happened worldwide

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i was kind of lucky my son grayson and i

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saw one of his last concerts

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way back in the early 2000s he suffered

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a heart attack a few months later and

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stopped touring forever

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yeah well he was a coke head so that's

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not real surprising

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i've been drug free so

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perhaps i

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will avoid that sort of thing

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anyway

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let's go to something that we know

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something about and i have a question

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for you

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well before i answer your question

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before you ask it you asked me to speak

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about things that we ask

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to question you about what you did last

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night

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well i didn't prompt you but we'll go

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for that okay last night

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uh this guy has been trying to get me to

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go on his podcast for a long time and we

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just could not come up with a date uh

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often like the

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substitute when the aliens abduct the

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primary guests so i've probably done

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that more times on more programs than i

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care to

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mention or think about since it implies

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something or other that probably

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doesn't lead to fame but uh

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last night i uh he said that he was

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going to do

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not just the podcast but do a live

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uh uh scenario from a comedy club in san

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francisco and he wanted me to invoke a

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demon

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for the audience and the last time i did

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anything like that was for a

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radio program in portland

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and i

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did it reluctantly but uh the

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it blew up a huge storm which the host

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of the show who uh

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it that way so i get invited back and

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something happens whenever i'm on his

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program he kind of blamed me and since

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some people were killed in the storm i

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that it was destined to be an out of

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season tornado even though there's no

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climate change

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but by doing the ritual that i did

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invoking the great angel metatron i

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reduced it from a tornado to just a

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heavy wind and thus spared many of my

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great friends

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up there in portlandia

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anyway so i i mentioned that before i

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did the very same ritual for the

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people gathered in the comedy club and

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uh of course i hammed it up considering

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the venue i mean i wasn't going to be

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they had me projected on a screen so i

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episcopal drag as i like to call it plus

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my son randall has this

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hat with a tassel on top that uh i think

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his girlfriend knitted for him so i put

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that on too because i don't have any

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headpiece or headgear for the stuff that

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and it looked appropriately silly but i

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and i got very serious when i did and it

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was reported to me by the um the

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gentleman who invited me on the program

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wow the audience felt exhilarated

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afterwards and it was a great thing so

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the notion of doing magical ritual

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effectively at a distance cross country

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seems to be once again

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proven to be the case you know i have to

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ask you a thousand questions based on

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what you just said but we have to do a

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break but first let me remind our

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chris o'brien is on special assignment

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alan greenfield is someone i've known

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for many many decades in fact there has

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to be a story somewhere along the line

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about how we first met but i can't

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remember it i just think we started

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writing letters to one another well it

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started with you writing me a letter

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accusing me of anti-semitism since i was

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at the in the process of packing for my

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trip to israel i thought was a little

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odd but i i remember that it was like

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from a second-hand comment or something

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and then we corresponded and then of

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course all through the 1960s you and i

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got together mostly on

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around new year's eve in times square i

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would always come up to the

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i think the the new york hilton

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in those days and we would get together

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a number of us one time it got went on

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so long i think it was 72 hours non-stop

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everybody else had left dave halpern who

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i just saw at the

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national ufo conference reunion about

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six months ago and he's living down here

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in the south actually

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anyway apparently

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it was so alarming your father showed up

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to make sure i wasn't

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hadn't tied you up or whatever it was

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and since you were a bodybuilder at the

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time i think probably it would have been

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more the other way around but your dad

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showed up and uh

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we were fine but we were both you know

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on the edge of sleep and i remember that

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i woke up in the middle of a sentence

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and i was saying and did you know

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columbus was jewish

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to this day i have no idea what the

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first part of that sentence was you know

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i'd like to know what kind of vivid

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dream you were having at the time but

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this is one of the sessions there one of

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these all night gab fests nobody present

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at this particular point of time you and

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i talking you've got a copy of the

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incomplete enchanter the first of a

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series of books by ellsberg decamp and

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fletcher pratt about somebody

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who was able to go into another reality

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where the laws of magic take force and

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of course that's formed the basis

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of

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fantasy novels and occasional things on

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tv over the years going to other

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realities but from that we fabricated

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a whole scenario where ufos instead of

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being spaceships were really close to us

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in another reality can you bring the

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memories back to our listeners

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oh yeah you know um i still have that

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copy

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the 35 cent paperback of decamp and

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pratt's the incomplete enchanter there's

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since been two revised revised editions

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of the harold shea series the complete

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enchanter and then there's one more

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recent that i haven't seen that is even

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more complete i suppose you know these

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are

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c-o-m-p-l-e-a-t like my

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the complete right of memphis i don't

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know that anybody knows the complete

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c-o-m-p-l-e-t-e right of memphis because

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i think there are 360 degrees and we

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only have 97 of them

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available to us but all 97 of the

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available ones plus a few extra and how

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to explore further

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are in the book but any anyway uh yes i

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think that book had an enormous

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influence on me in the early 1960s

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and as time went on

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i think that we all started out with

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either these are extraterrestrial craft

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and in those days we could still

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speculate easily that maybe from mars

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uh that's become

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sort of more difficult now although

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people keep seeing funny stuff on mars

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well you know of course we have a

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character now

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on the new supergirl tv show called

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martian manhunter an old dc comics

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character

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familiar to me

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i

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uh

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sort of avoid all the superhero stuff so

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i'm out of touch with the times but i

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think more in touch with the actual

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reality even though uh your little logo

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says you are a superman and indeed you

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are because

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you have continued to do important work

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uh through all these years as i would

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like to think have i and it is

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gosh it's 50 years you know

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it's more than bad my friend well i'm

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trying to calculate but let's see

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1962 63 somewhere in there i i know that

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i met timothy green beckley first well

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53 years let's do that you're counting

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53 years from 1962. okay 2015 actually

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54 years now

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yeah i think our listeners are wondering

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where he's going with that

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yes well i'm going on into this century

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and uh

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we'll see how far we can take it i

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want to be

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on mars so i'm sort of a little out of

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sync with the times because

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were i 10 years younger that might be a

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possibility but you know

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mars needs women and let's face it there

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aren't any there that i know of so well

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maybe there's a female martian man

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hunter

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to go back

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let's go back to the theory though let's

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be serious and let's be straight here

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and keep the answers relatively short

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and that is okay so we have this theory

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here about ufos from alternate realities

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but let's back up a little bit why posit

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that they're not spaceships and that

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they are from

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a neighboring reality that we just cross

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over to

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because they don't fit the profile of

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what one would expect even from an

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advanced civilization from another one

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for one thing if you delve deeply enough

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into it they seem to be a part of the

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history of the earth going back as far

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as you care to go

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i detest things like the ancient

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astronaut just the term

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it makes me cringe but

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the fact is that

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things that could be classified as ufos

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or flying saucers including landing and

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abduction cases stated in terms of the

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you know the cultural milieu of the

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times go all the way back to cave

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paintings and

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that doesn't mean they don't go back

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further than that but it does mean that

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at least as long as human beings have in

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any way expressed themselves this has

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been a part of our reality

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uh hardly something that would be the

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equivalent of the conquistadors coming

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to the new world which we may be

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grateful for

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the other the other aspect of it is that

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there is a kind of uh

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peekaboo effect that goes on in cases

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you don't land from another planet i

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think

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john keel was the first one to point

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this out maybe at one of our new year's

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events because the late great great jim

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mosely used to drag keel along in the

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days in the run-up to his giant saucer

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show

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at the late commodore hotel which donald

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trump tore down

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built something else but hey uh okay so

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before we start

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with that donald trump is at fault

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everything that's going to happen now

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anything that happened in new york city

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it is donald trump's fault if he's

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elected president it's really his fault

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if he's elected president which may very

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well happen

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uh i think we are in

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very very serious trouble

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i will have a serious problem if we

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don't do our break right now we have

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alan greenfield an old friend of mine

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we're reminiscing but taking this to the

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ufo paranormal

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area very closely and we'll get into

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more of that in a moment with alternate

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realities

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chris o'brien's on special assignment

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i'm gene steinberg he's alan greenfield

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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ufos that seem to wink in and wink out

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and don't seem to behave

669
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in the way you feel they behave if they

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were e.t

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uh that's correct i think also they

672
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the behavior is something that you

673
00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:58,880
should focus on they seem to as i put it

674
00:28:02,470 --> 00:28:01,679
play peek-a-boo they um

675
00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:02,480
they

676
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uh

677
00:28:10,110 --> 00:28:06,799
wear masks and don't behave in a manner

678
00:28:12,870 --> 00:28:10,120
that uh would be consistent with uh

679
00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:12,880
extraterrestrial explorers well why do

680
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you say that we don't know what

681
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:16,720
extraterrestrial explorers would be like

682
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:18,320
we're just guessing they don't say fix

683
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:21,120
me a pancake that would be just uh

684
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:24,960
that's more fairy-like than

685
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:26,960
euphonite like now of course you could

686
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:28,799
always argue that but they appear and

687
00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:31,120
disappear yes you might have technology

688
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:33,679
that does that yes a truly advanced

689
00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:35,840
technology would be indistinguishable

690
00:28:43,029 --> 00:28:39,919
from magic but why hang out here winking

691
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:43,039
in and out resembling fairyland taking

692
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:46,080
people to places that time works

693
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:48,880
differently and that that

694
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:52,960
seem to uh resemble earlier cases such

695
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:55,440
as the venusburg legends in europe where

696
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:58,000
someone is taken into a fairy hill or an

697
00:29:02,789 --> 00:29:00,559
elf here hill and is there for a night

698
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:02,799
and a day and emerges a hundred years

699
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:03,760
later

700
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:06,480
same kind of lore in a different context

701
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:08,399
we've interviewed people together that

702
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:10,960
are like that uh ralph leia and i kind

703
00:29:16,149 --> 00:29:12,880
of hope you still have that interview

704
00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:16,159
somewhere buried but uh his experience

705
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:19,360
sounds like a homespun legend but he did

706
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:22,640
not strike me as the sort of person who

707
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:26,799
had uh extreme literacy in

708
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:29,679
european folklore and yet his story is

709
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:32,399
right out of european folklore and

710
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:35,840
resembles those instances many years ago

711
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:36,640
that

712
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:39,520
are more of the rip van winkle variety

713
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:40,880
than of the

714
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:43,360
day the earth stood still variety ralph

715
00:29:48,070 --> 00:29:46,159
lail it was a character that we met

716
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:48,080
at the foot of brown mountain

717
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:50,720
have this little what trinket shop outer

718
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:54,720
space rock shop museum right okay

719
00:29:59,909 --> 00:29:58,159
what i look for in uh outrageous cases

720
00:30:01,510 --> 00:29:59,919
like his because he claimed to have been

721
00:30:04,389 --> 00:30:01,520
taken into

722
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:04,399
brown mountain and then off to uh

723
00:30:10,389 --> 00:30:07,200
another planet where uh

724
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:10,399
he had interesting adventures and uh i

725
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:13,039
believe it was the planet p-wam

726
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:16,480
and then returned to earth he showed

727
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:19,919
some relics of his his trips

728
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:22,080
but what i look for when you have a case

729
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:25,120
like that or john reeves or the two

730
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:27,840
fishermen in uh as they were called in

731
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:31,919
pascagoula mississippi um the the two

732
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:34,000
fishermen who were actually uh

733
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:36,720
shipbuilders at that time so they i

734
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:38,640
don't know why they always refer to as

735
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:41,200
fishermen or the john reeves case in

736
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:44,960
brooksville florida is if the story is

737
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:48,159
outlandish but the person seems

738
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:50,799
absolutely sincere true in all those

739
00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:51,760
cases

740
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:55,520
surrounding countryside and i

741
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:57,120
interviewed other people on a couple of

742
00:31:01,830 --> 00:30:59,600
occasions around brown mountain and in

743
00:31:03,269 --> 00:31:01,840
those two other cases and there are

744
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:03,279
indeed other

745
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:06,480
close encounter cases in the area not

746
00:31:11,110 --> 00:31:08,960
contact cases but

747
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:11,120
close encounters with

748
00:31:16,149 --> 00:31:12,880
with flying saucers that are

749
00:31:19,269 --> 00:31:16,159
unmistakably that as opposed to

750
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:19,279
lights in the sky and that tends to uh

751
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:21,600
add credence to the uh

752
00:31:27,190 --> 00:31:24,640
to the primary case and

753
00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:27,200
in all those instances i think

754
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:30,320
that something very strange occurred

755
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:31,120
why

756
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:33,760
there should be particular areas

757
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:35,440
that are

758
00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:37,120
visited by

759
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:39,200
whatever

760
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:40,080
is

761
00:31:45,269 --> 00:31:42,320
much more easily explained since they

762
00:31:48,389 --> 00:31:45,279
have no particular reference to outer

763
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:48,399
space and are all only seen near the

764
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:50,640
earth

765
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:53,679
why they would have

766
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:57,600
an attraction to those places

767
00:32:02,470 --> 00:32:00,000
doesn't correspond to any understanding

768
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:02,480
that i have of

769
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:04,000
prolonged

770
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:06,080
visits from another planet but it does

771
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:09,120
correspond to the notion of portals

772
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:10,799
from

773
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:13,200
other realities and when i first started

774
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:15,039
saying

775
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:18,000
that in the 1960s with my alternate

776
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:20,080
horizons newsletter and

777
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:22,320
other things of that time i didn't have

778
00:32:27,909 --> 00:32:25,600
any good theoretical basis to to speak

779
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:27,919
about that and i i was never comfortable

780
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:30,000
with the term alternate dimensions or

781
00:32:34,149 --> 00:32:32,000
other dimensions because

782
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:34,159
what does that really mean

783
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:35,279
but

784
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:38,480
since then i've become aware of the

785
00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:40,480
um the

786
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:42,880
multiple worlds uh

787
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:47,039
solution of quantum theory and it uh

788
00:32:51,909 --> 00:32:49,440
it dovetails with that a lot because not

789
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:51,919
only are there apparently

790
00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:54,159
um many other worlds there are two

791
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:56,720
interpretations one is a specific number

792
00:33:01,669 --> 00:32:58,159
of other

793
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:01,679
brains b-r-a-n-e-s or

794
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:03,360
another one is that they're an infinite

795
00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:07,200
number of other brains they are

796
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:09,519
so closely aligned that they literally

797
00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:11,600
are sitting there in the room with you

798
00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:12,799
and with me

799
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:16,000
and perhaps that explains not just ufos

800
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:18,880
but also psychic phenomena ghosts

801
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:21,440
apparitions all kinds of things that

802
00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:22,880
monsters

803
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:26,000
um all sorts of things that are seen and

804
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:30,000
then disappear only to be seen again

805
00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:32,720
and when you find a universal theory

806
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:34,720
that things

807
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:37,679
fit into multiple things fit into it

808
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:40,000
strengthens the the theoretical

809
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:41,840
underpinning because

810
00:33:44,549 --> 00:33:43,679
if that in fact

811
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:44,559
is

812
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:47,200
the way the the universe or better

813
00:33:50,789 --> 00:33:49,600
omniverse

814
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:50,799
is

815
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:56,559
it follows that there will be times and

816
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:58,559
places where there is

817
00:34:02,149 --> 00:33:59,360
uh

818
00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:02,159
sort of a an overlap or a merger whether

819
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:04,240
intentional or otherwise

820
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:07,200
and of course there is the fact that uh

821
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:09,839
ten years after i got into ufology um

822
00:34:15,510 --> 00:34:13,119
although my interests went back

823
00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:15,520
uh to the same period i began to be

824
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:17,919
involved in ceremonial magic and a lot

825
00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:20,399
of that is portal working the the idea

826
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:22,480
of opening portals to

827
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:24,960
angelic or demonic uh

828
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:27,119
other wares which i don't the latter i

829
00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:28,800
don't encourage

830
00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:30,399
anybody to do

831
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:32,960
but nevertheless

832
00:34:38,069 --> 00:34:35,520
i've done reasonably scientific

833
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:38,079
experiments with that that is uh under

834
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:40,800
controlled circumstances and uh

835
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:42,960
something very weird happens that is

836
00:34:47,270 --> 00:34:45,839
suggestive of deliberately opening and

837
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:47,280
closing

838
00:34:51,430 --> 00:34:48,399
a portal

839
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:51,440
to to elsewhere before we go on alan i

840
00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:53,440
really want you to explain that but let

841
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:55,040
me throw out one more thing before you

842
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:57,040
do that and probably this will carry

843
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:58,800
over to our next segment

844
00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:00,320
and that is when we talk about alternate

845
00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:02,880
realities we sometimes think of

846
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:04,480
mirrors

847
00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:06,640
of our own world like an earth 2 like in

848
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:08,960
the tv series fringe we had an alternate

849
00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:11,280
reality where it was

850
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:13,359
the same people but they were a little

851
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bit different and the civilization was a

852
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:16,400
little bit different

853
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:18,320
as a matter of fact in the tv show based

854
00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:20,560
on the comic book flash they have like

855
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:23,200
an earth too there's another flash there

856
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:25,440
there are counterparts to characters in

857
00:35:29,829 --> 00:35:28,160
this reality so we've got a minute

858
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:29,839
before we do our break so we can start

859
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:32,079
this and pick it up on our next segment

860
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:33,680
we're talking here of another reality

861
00:35:39,190 --> 00:35:35,920
being a totally different place

862
00:35:42,829 --> 00:35:39,200
but is there possibly a semi-duplicate

863
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:42,839
of earth in another reality a parallel

864
00:35:48,870 --> 00:35:46,400
earth yes absolutely in fact

865
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:48,880
one version of the

866
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:51,359
multiple worlds theory is that we are

867
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constantly making

868
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:55,280
decisions

869
00:35:59,349 --> 00:35:56,320
which

870
00:36:01,589 --> 00:35:59,359
split off different realities

871
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:01,599
do this or do that open the door or

872
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:04,800
don't open the door well in one reality

873
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:06,880
we open the door in the other reality we

874
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don't and then

875
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an enormous number of very

876
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the peculiarity of that is because it's

877
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an easy thing to say or to describe in

878
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:18,560
fictional terms is there are objective

879
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scientific tests on a micro scale and

880
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the only argument is is this applicable

881
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to the macro world as well as the micro

882
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world let's explain that in our next

883
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segment

884
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because this warrants more than 10

885
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seconds chris o'brien's on special

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assignment we have alan greenfield i'm

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gene steinberg you're in the power cast

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alan greenfield is joining us and we're

987
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going to talk about how he invokes these

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various spells in a little while but now

989
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he's trying to frame

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this structure and how this alternate

991
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reality stuff works please go ahead sir

992
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okay let me let me see if i can

993
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describe it because there's no

994
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one way that uh alternate realities

995
00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:41,040
manifest and there's no one agreed to

996
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scientific theory in one theory there

997
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are

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and it's a

999
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based on a mathematical proposition of

1000
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quantum mechanics there are a limited

1001
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number of other

1002
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brains so to speak that being the case

1003
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whatever other realities they are

1004
00:42:03,109 --> 00:41:59,599
although they may follow entirely

1005
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different rules of physics and in and be

1006
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:06,400
uh completely different from uh who we

1007
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are and what we are

1008
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:10,560
nevertheless there aren't an infinite

1009
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:12,480
number of them and there certainly are

1010
00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:15,680
unlikely to be other us's there or

1011
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:16,960
similar

1012
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:19,200
things um i'm kind of fond of the little

1013
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:22,319
movie uh another earth which uh

1014
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:27,670
an earth

1015
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:30,400
duplicate showing up not necessarily

1016
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:32,160
from another reality but of course it

1017
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:35,040
defies our laws of physics so i suppose

1018
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:36,720
if you tried to do

1019
00:42:41,829 --> 00:42:39,680
physics underpinning of that it would be

1020
00:42:43,510 --> 00:42:41,839
almost necessary to look at it in that

1021
00:42:46,309 --> 00:42:43,520
way

1022
00:42:48,069 --> 00:42:46,319
another version of the same theory

1023
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:48,079
is that

1024
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:50,640
there are an infinite number of

1025
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:53,280
alternate realities and because there

1026
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:55,280
are an infinite number

1027
00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:57,680
not only do they not necessarily follow

1028
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:00,079
the same rules of physics

1029
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:02,960
they don't follow the same rules of

1030
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:09,910
well in

1031
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:12,079
infinite means infinite which means

1032
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:14,240
anything that you can conceive of and

1033
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:17,280
anything that you can't conceive of

1034
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:20,400
does exist in some reality

1035
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:23,839
uh all by definition now

1036
00:43:29,349 --> 00:43:26,800
do any of these realities resemble ours

1037
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:29,359
they would have to they're infinite

1038
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:31,839
do any of these realities

1039
00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:35,040
come into being based on decisions that

1040
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:37,520
we make or other we

1041
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:38,480
make

1042
00:43:44,309 --> 00:43:40,560
as i hear what allen says i start to

1043
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:44,319
think there are multiple gene steinbergs

1044
00:43:47,829 --> 00:43:46,720
multiple alan greenfields

1045
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:47,839
multiple

1046
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:50,720
chris o'brien's and maybe jim mosley our

1047
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:53,359
late great friend is still alive

1048
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:55,359
i mean these things boggle the mind they

1049
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:57,359
ca they're really very hard to

1050
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:00,240
articulate in words they're

1051
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:03,680
uh truly articulable

1052
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:04,960
if that's a word

1053
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:09,359
only mathematically although

1054
00:44:13,349 --> 00:44:11,599
well that doesn't matter because

1055
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:13,359
we're we're dealing in multiple

1056
00:44:18,550 --> 00:44:16,640
realities here but the point is that we

1057
00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:18,560
are um

1058
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:21,920
essentially uh uh talking about uh the

1059
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:23,599
prospect that

1060
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:26,880
what we're dealing with with uh

1061
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:30,880
mothman or the loch ness monster or ufos

1062
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:33,119
or abductions or

1063
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:36,880
certain kinds of ghostly appearances

1064
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:39,839
and doppelgangers and a whole host of

1065
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:41,680
other things including

1066
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:43,920
fairy legends uh

1067
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:45,680
elves

1068
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:49,359
whatever that we consider to be

1069
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:51,040
fiction

1070
00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:53,920
by definition must be a fact in some

1071
00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:56,480
realities and if there are indeed

1072
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:59,599
crossovers from these other realities to

1073
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:01,200
our own

1074
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:02,880
um

1075
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:05,520
then then when they manifest they appear

1076
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:07,599
perfectly real

1077
00:45:13,990 --> 00:45:11,119
but they are in fact uh so far as we're

1078
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:14,000
concerned temporary and following none

1079
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:16,880
of the rules of of uh physics as we

1080
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:18,960
understand them

1081
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:21,599
are they bound by the rules of physics

1082
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:24,160
as we understand them when they are in

1083
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:27,760
our reality maybe maybe not don't know

1084
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:31,200
but i i would say that the likelihood is

1085
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:36,150
totally

1086
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:39,920
things are

1087
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:41,760
can be pinned down

1088
00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:44,640
i think however that there are reasons

1089
00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:47,920
to suspect that some of these incursions

1090
00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:49,839
if you will and i don't mean that in any

1091
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:52,160
sinister way or not

1092
00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:54,240
uh are intentional

1093
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:58,000
if i can do portal magic and enter or

1094
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:00,560
send which

1095
00:46:05,829 --> 00:46:03,359
is more likely send someone into

1096
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:05,839
another reality there's no reason to

1097
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:08,240
think that there aren't realities in

1098
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:09,760
which

1099
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:12,880
far more accomplished quote magicians by

1100
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:16,319
our understanding

1101
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:19,920
are able to mechanically or or

1102
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:21,599
through

1103
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:24,160
magical processes or scientific

1104
00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:26,880
processes as defined in those realities

1105
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:28,640
again the laws of physics

1106
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:30,800
don't necessarily apply or they may

1107
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:33,440
apply but are slightly different very

1108
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:35,040
different or so different we really

1109
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:35,920
couldn't

1110
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:38,079
even

1111
00:46:42,790 --> 00:46:40,880
imagine them literally it is no way to

1112
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:42,800
wrap our minds around them

1113
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:44,400
um

1114
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:47,599
come into our reality for whatever

1115
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:50,720
reasons seem applicable to them

1116
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:53,280
and we try to puzzle them out in terms

1117
00:47:00,309 --> 00:46:56,240
of

1118
00:47:01,750 --> 00:47:00,319
we get hung up on

1119
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:01,760
trying to

1120
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:05,599
uh so to speak uh ground these things in

1121
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:08,640
the understandable but anytime in any

1122
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:12,400
area of science that you get out to the

1123
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:15,520
maximum extremes there is a point at

1124
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:17,040
which as

1125
00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:20,400
some scientists have said

1126
00:47:26,069 --> 00:47:23,599
that not only do we not understand but

1127
00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:26,079
that we are incapable of understanding

1128
00:47:32,550 --> 00:47:28,640
after all

1129
00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:32,560
in terms of biological time not to say

1130
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:34,800
nothing of geological time to say

1131
00:47:40,550 --> 00:47:38,480
absolutely nothing of cosmic time

1132
00:47:42,790 --> 00:47:40,560
we just dropped out of the trees a week

1133
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:42,800
ago you know i mean

1134
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:44,640
and you could say more accurately a

1135
00:47:46,950 --> 00:47:46,079
moment ago

1136
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:46,960
and

1137
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:51,440
what we are basically equipped to do is

1138
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:53,119
to reproduce

1139
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:56,240
to hunt and to avoid being hunted

1140
00:48:01,750 --> 00:47:58,800
everything else that we do is a micro

1141
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:01,760
micro second in biological time and

1142
00:48:05,589 --> 00:48:03,680
again to say nothing of geological or

1143
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:05,599
cosmological time

1144
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:07,440
so the rest is stuff that we're doing

1145
00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:09,520
now like doing radio shows

1146
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:12,800
that's all optional well

1147
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:15,920
that depends on on what you mean for us

1148
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:18,800
i don't think it's optional i think it's

1149
00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:21,280
perfectly appropriate and it's an

1150
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:23,599
excellent way of communicating however

1151
00:48:28,870 --> 00:48:25,920
the premise behind the search for

1152
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:28,880
extraterrestrial intelligence study

1153
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:32,000
is that intelligent civilizations would

1154
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:34,240
also use radio and that you know would

1155
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:37,040
be depend on a lot of things that i

1156
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:38,880
think are

1157
00:48:48,069 --> 00:48:45,190
okay but that doesn't mean there

1158
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:48,079
are no other worlds with intelligent

1159
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:48,960
life

1160
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:51,119
and advanced civilizations

1161
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:53,040
absolutely not

1162
00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:54,480
but

1163
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:02,470
there was a prominent

1164
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:04,400
theory i think it was called drake's

1165
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:06,000
equation

1166
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:07,520
that uh

1167
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:09,119
there would be

1168
00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:11,680
uh intelligent life on x number of

1169
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:14,319
worlds and it was a one with many zeros

1170
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:18,800
behind it however uh we have come a long

1171
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:22,800
way in the last 10 years and much of of

1172
00:49:26,790 --> 00:49:25,200
well let's make it 15 years

1173
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:26,800
20 years if you want to go on the

1174
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:30,240
outside certainly since the hubble

1175
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:31,920
that we have learned a great deal more

1176
00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:34,640
about the universe that we can see that

1177
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:35,599
we can

1178
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:37,200
contemplate

1179
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:41,910
the drake equation

1180
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:44,480
has many problems with it

1181
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:46,800
for one thing you have to probably

1182
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:48,880
eliminate anything that would remotely

1183
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:51,760
be life as we know it

1184
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:53,920
near the center of galaxies for a lot of

1185
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:55,440
reasons

1186
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:56,800
there's a black hole in the center of

1187
00:50:02,549 --> 00:49:58,559
every galaxy apparently

1188
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:02,559
and the radiation as you go inward

1189
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:04,160
becomes greater and greater and the

1190
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:06,640
possibility of any kind of organic life

1191
00:50:10,829 --> 00:50:09,280
becomes less and less

1192
00:50:12,390 --> 00:50:10,839
viable

1193
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:12,400
um

1194
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:16,400
we're on the edge of a galaxy and

1195
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:26,390
also includes the planetary accident if

1196
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:28,960
you want to think of it as an accident

1197
00:50:35,829 --> 00:50:31,200
of

1198
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:35,839
zone within our solar system

1199
00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:38,240
and even there

1200
00:50:43,829 --> 00:50:41,040
to some extent mars is within that uh

1201
00:50:45,829 --> 00:50:43,839
that goldilocks zone too and obviously

1202
00:50:48,150 --> 00:50:45,839
it had some of the preconditions for

1203
00:50:50,710 --> 00:50:48,160
life but whether there's any life

1204
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:50,720
on mars or ever has been is still an

1205
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:52,800
open question

1206
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:54,640
certainly the ingredients are there so

1207
00:50:59,589 --> 00:50:56,640
if there's none it's extremely

1208
00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:59,599
significant uh in terms of the rest of

1209
00:51:03,510 --> 00:51:01,119
the universe

1210
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:03,520
it's also true

1211
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:05,040
that there is

1212
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:08,400
a question as to whether

1213
00:51:13,349 --> 00:51:11,599
there has been enough time

1214
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:13,359
since the big bang

1215
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:15,040
let's consider that in a moment we've

1216
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:17,359
got lots more to say today

1217
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:20,960
chris o'brien's another assignment but

1218
00:51:25,829 --> 00:51:23,040
not in another reality so you're hearing

1219
00:51:29,590 --> 00:51:25,839
from gene steinberg and alan greenfield

1220
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:29,600
you're in a paracast

1221
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:43,510
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1222
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1224
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1225
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1226
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1227
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1228
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1229
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1230
00:52:02,390 --> 00:51:59,839
officer is haunted by intense dreams

1231
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:02,400
about a beautiful woman pleading for his

1232
00:52:05,829 --> 00:52:04,800
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1233
00:52:07,990 --> 00:52:05,839
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1234
00:52:09,990 --> 00:52:08,000
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1235
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1236
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1237
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1252
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1253
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[Music]

1274
00:54:03,349 --> 00:53:59,750
welcome back to the paracast the gold

1275
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:03,359
standard of paranormal radio

1276
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:04,640
and now

1277
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:13,589
now we're seeing here an example of alan

1278
00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:16,640
greenfield's supreme mystical powers

1279
00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:19,040
when he says the power cast right

1280
00:54:25,990 --> 00:54:22,480
um i try to project as well as i

1281
00:54:28,309 --> 00:54:26,000
possibly can that which is

1282
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:28,319
so we're talking here about ufos not

1283
00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:30,000
necessarily coming from other planets

1284
00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:32,800
but from other realities and also

1285
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:35,440
the possible rarity with which

1286
00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:36,559
life

1287
00:54:41,109 --> 00:54:39,359
begins and flourishes in the universe

1288
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:41,119
of course we talk also about the

1289
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:43,280
possible discovery of goldilocks planets

1290
00:54:48,309 --> 00:54:45,040
which just seem to be

1291
00:54:51,190 --> 00:54:48,319
in the precise area and of a size and

1292
00:54:53,109 --> 00:54:51,200
configuration that they might be able to

1293
00:54:55,030 --> 00:54:53,119
spawn life and then we have other

1294
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:55,040
theories here like the theory of mars

1295
00:54:58,790 --> 00:54:56,400
about all the crazy things that happened

1296
00:55:00,309 --> 00:54:58,800
on mars and maybe at one time in the

1297
00:55:01,109 --> 00:55:00,319
past mars

1298
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:01,119
had

1299
00:55:07,270 --> 00:55:03,599
some sort of intelligent life well the

1300
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:07,280
panspermia theory is that uh life

1301
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:08,720
elsewhere

1302
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:11,599
got life here started however

1303
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:14,480
and indeed there have been uh

1304
00:55:19,750 --> 00:55:17,680
fragments of uh planetary collisions

1305
00:55:21,829 --> 00:55:19,760
that have been found on earth that seem

1306
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:21,839
to originate on mars i mean we know a

1307
00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:24,160
lot about mars now because

1308
00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:26,480
we actually have probes on the surface

1309
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:28,160
of mars and

1310
00:55:32,790 --> 00:55:30,480
in the 1990s a

1311
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:32,800
meteorite was found in antarctica that

1312
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:34,880
seemed to have

1313
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:39,680
organic molecules in it and there was a

1314
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:42,000
debate as to whether

1315
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:44,160
those organic molecules had sort of

1316
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:47,040
leached in from an earthly source or

1317
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:50,160
were a contaminant or something but they

1318
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:52,880
there's a good indication that they

1319
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:55,440
came here from mars and that's you know

1320
00:55:58,470 --> 00:55:57,119
since we now

1321
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:58,480
actually

1322
00:56:04,390 --> 00:56:00,960
and in fact what was it in the 1970s

1323
00:56:06,870 --> 00:56:04,400
since the 1970s have been capable of

1324
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:06,880
sending probes and landing them on mars

1325
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:08,640
it's uh

1326
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:10,400
fairly easy to

1327
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:13,440
taking a look at the at the solar system

1328
00:56:18,549 --> 00:56:15,280
there's been so much

1329
00:56:20,710 --> 00:56:18,559
asteroid in meteor activity that

1330
00:56:23,349 --> 00:56:20,720
it would be very surprising if there was

1331
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:23,359
not some substance from a neighboring

1332
00:56:27,829 --> 00:56:25,200
and somewhat similar planet that

1333
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:27,839
sometimes approaches earth relatively

1334
00:56:47,190 --> 00:56:45,109
may not have been martians there may

1335
00:56:49,829 --> 00:56:47,200
have simply been

1336
00:56:52,549 --> 00:56:49,839
organic molecules or

1337
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:52,559
unicellular life at one time

1338
00:56:58,150 --> 00:56:54,960
something big came and collided with

1339
00:57:00,630 --> 00:56:58,160
mars we know that because we uh mars's

1340
00:57:01,910 --> 00:57:00,640
atmosphere being less dense than ours at

1341
00:57:04,069 --> 00:57:01,920
least now

1342
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:04,079
we can see the craters there are plenty

1343
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:06,000
of craters on earth as well but because

1344
00:57:12,549 --> 00:57:09,599
we have an atmosphere and topsoil and

1345
00:57:14,789 --> 00:57:12,559
all kinds of erosion the craters on the

1346
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:14,799
moon where there is no air are much more

1347
00:57:19,990 --> 00:57:17,359
obvious than the craters on earth

1348
00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:20,000
nevertheless those collisions have sent

1349
00:57:23,030 --> 00:57:21,760
things everywhere

1350
00:57:25,589 --> 00:57:23,040
we saw

1351
00:57:28,470 --> 00:57:25,599
an asteroid break up into three pieces

1352
00:57:31,829 --> 00:57:28,480
and go into the planet jupiter causing

1353
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:31,839
even though it's of enormous size and

1354
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:35,200
limited density nevertheless uh it was

1355
00:57:40,870 --> 00:57:38,160
it had a terrific effect on jupiter

1356
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:40,880
although it was you know not huge in

1357
00:57:47,670 --> 00:57:44,400
terms of the size of jupiter point being

1358
00:57:50,549 --> 00:57:47,680
that the notion that life on earth may

1359
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:50,559
have begun earlier than it might have

1360
00:57:54,470 --> 00:57:51,760
because

1361
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:54,480
organic molecules or the remnants of a

1362
00:57:58,230 --> 00:57:56,640
martian civilization

1363
00:57:59,589 --> 00:57:58,240
whatever

1364
00:58:01,829 --> 00:57:59,599
came to earth

1365
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:01,839
long ago and

1366
00:58:06,549 --> 00:58:03,839
began life here

1367
00:58:07,750 --> 00:58:06,559
a lot sooner than we would otherwise

1368
00:58:09,750 --> 00:58:07,760
expect it

1369
00:58:12,870 --> 00:58:09,760
however i did want to make the point

1370
00:58:14,549 --> 00:58:12,880
about life elsewhere in the universe

1371
00:58:16,950 --> 00:58:14,559
that given

1372
00:58:18,309 --> 00:58:16,960
they used to say and it was really one

1373
00:58:20,710 --> 00:58:18,319
of those

1374
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:20,720
those arguments that

1375
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:22,880
people who are disinclined to believe

1376
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:25,920
any kind of uh supernatural forces in

1377
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:27,359
the universe

1378
00:58:32,710 --> 00:58:30,640
would make they said um the the bob

1379
00:58:34,150 --> 00:58:32,720
newhart routine an infinite number of

1380
00:58:36,069 --> 00:58:34,160
monkeys

1381
00:58:37,910 --> 00:58:36,079
and an infinite number of typewriters

1382
00:58:39,990 --> 00:58:37,920
would eventually type all the great

1383
00:58:41,589 --> 00:58:40,000
books to be or not to be that is the

1384
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:41,599
gazornin platform

1385
00:58:45,190 --> 00:58:42,960
i say

1386
00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:45,200
that we don't have an infinite amount of

1387
00:58:53,109 --> 00:58:48,720
time we know now the approximate age of

1388
00:58:55,349 --> 00:58:53,119
our universe as currently defined and it

1389
00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:55,359
isn't an infinite amount of time and

1390
00:59:00,309 --> 00:58:57,280
there's a lot of space out there

1391
00:59:01,589 --> 00:59:00,319
although it's not empty space as we

1392
00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:01,599
thought for

1393
00:59:07,829 --> 00:59:04,480
many decades between the mythos of the

1394
00:59:11,430 --> 00:59:07,839
ether of space and the current mythos of

1395
00:59:13,710 --> 00:59:11,440
dark matter and dark energy

1396
00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:13,720
both of which were and are

1397
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approximations to to just simply say

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space is not empty what it contains

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00:59:22,789 --> 00:59:20,720
we don't know but

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00:59:24,390 --> 00:59:22,799
we can see the effects of it

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00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:24,400
in terms of the

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00:59:29,030 --> 00:59:26,640
distribution of the universe

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00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:29,040
and the speed at which it it moves it

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00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:31,440
would not be explainable in any other

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00:59:33,510 --> 00:59:32,400
terms

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00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:33,520
there is

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00:59:37,270 --> 00:59:34,880
some thing

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00:59:39,349 --> 00:59:37,280
perhaps the word thing is inadequate

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00:59:42,390 --> 00:59:39,359
some force if you will

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00:59:45,349 --> 00:59:42,400
that we can't see or touch or feel

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00:59:48,150 --> 00:59:45,359
or measure exactly that nevertheless

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00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:48,160
exerts a lot of energy on the universe

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00:59:51,510 --> 00:59:50,240
point is we know a great deal about the

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00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:51,520
universe

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and given the amount of time since the

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00:59:59,190 --> 00:59:57,200
big bang the notion that life

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01:00:01,190 --> 00:59:59,200
intelligent life would have evolved

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01:00:03,109 --> 01:00:01,200
anywhere is

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01:00:05,030 --> 01:00:03,119
subject to question

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01:00:07,950 --> 01:00:05,040
so how did we happen

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01:00:09,589 --> 01:00:07,960
well if you want to stay within

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non-creationist

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01:00:15,109 --> 01:00:10,880
theories

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01:00:17,190 --> 01:00:15,119
you'd have to say

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01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:17,200
we were damn lucky

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01:00:21,510 --> 01:00:18,480
we were very

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fortunate assuming that you think that

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01:00:26,789 --> 01:00:23,680
being alive is a good thing

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01:00:29,510 --> 01:00:26,799
to be alive and conscious at this point

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01:00:32,470 --> 01:00:29,520
may be an exceedingly rare thing in the

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01:00:35,589 --> 01:00:32,480
entire universe it may be

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very premature in fact it may be that we

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came very very early

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in the long history that the universe is

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01:00:45,750 --> 01:00:43,680
likely to have the end of which is uh

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01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:45,760
strongly debated will it collapse on

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01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:46,720
itself

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will it expand into infinity and

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01:00:53,190 --> 01:00:51,520
eventually sort of tear apart just

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because there's

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not enough

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material to uh and energy to sustain it

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um

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01:01:05,030 --> 01:01:03,280
we uh you can argue it either way or

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for a long time there was the notion

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that uh things were

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01:01:12,789 --> 01:01:10,880
uh what they called steady state and

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that apparently is

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01:01:19,349 --> 01:01:14,640
completely out of the question now as

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the

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probably if one were to have some kind

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of expectation

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that intelligent life would evolve

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01:01:35,589 --> 01:01:33,280
simply based on contemplation of it

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01:01:37,430 --> 01:01:35,599
which is an interesting thing because

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after all

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01:01:42,150 --> 01:01:39,760
we are conscious beings and we are the

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ones who are contemplating it

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01:01:45,109 --> 01:01:43,520
um

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that

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so if so facto we're here

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01:01:52,390 --> 01:01:50,400
we think therefore we are

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01:01:54,309 --> 01:01:52,400
but we could be

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an anomaly

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01:02:00,309 --> 01:01:57,040
in which case we may be and for the

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first time in the last 10 15 years

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01:02:05,270 --> 01:02:03,440
some scientists have begun to completely

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question the drake equations and not

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only say that life in the universe is

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rare

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but we may be

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the only exception or one of very few

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and that would mean

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others would be scattered in

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the unbelievable distances among

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01:02:25,430 --> 01:02:22,720
galaxies that are distributed all across

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the universe so the theory goes that the

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amount of life that spawns in the

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universe is not very high

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01:02:35,109 --> 01:02:32,319
so therefore the chances that

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an intelligent civilization would arise

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are very low

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01:02:40,630 --> 01:02:38,559
and it's even lower the possibility that

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civilization would be advanced enough to

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communicate with another i i think that

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there is a great plausibility to that

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01:02:49,990 --> 01:02:47,040
whereas

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01:02:51,990 --> 01:02:50,000
when i first got started with this stuff

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continental drift was still denied at

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01:02:55,670 --> 01:02:54,480
that point by orthodox science i mean

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01:02:57,990 --> 01:02:55,680
that's

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01:03:01,190 --> 01:02:58,000
that was taught as nonsense when i was

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in school but um well in high school

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01:03:05,750 --> 01:03:03,520
anyway so therefore we have a situation

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01:03:07,910 --> 01:03:05,760
here where if certain people are elected

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01:03:10,309 --> 01:03:07,920
president of the united states we will

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magically return to another reality the

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01:03:15,430 --> 01:03:13,680
reality of the 1950s can you dig it

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01:03:17,270 --> 01:03:15,440
chris o'brien's on special assignment

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but he will be with us

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on the next episode of after the power

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01:03:24,230 --> 01:03:21,760
cast he'll tell us all what he's up to

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01:03:26,630 --> 01:03:24,240
and i've got some news that is tentative

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but we hope it's final and that is we

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have scheduled whitley strieber to join

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us on the power cast the second week of

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february in the meantime we've got my

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old friend alan greenfield here to join

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[Music]

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so we're talking here on the power cast

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01:08:18,789 --> 01:08:15,440
about the possibility that instead of

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01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:18,799
coming from other planets ufos assuming

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01:08:23,269 --> 01:08:20,880
they are real come from alternate

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01:08:25,030 --> 01:08:23,279
realities we're talking to my old friend

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01:08:27,349 --> 01:08:25,040
alan greenfield chris o'brien is on

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special assignment so alan

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what about the scientific community how

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01:08:34,229 --> 01:08:32,080
many scientists out there are talking

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01:08:37,590 --> 01:08:34,239
not the possibility of life in outer

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01:08:40,070 --> 01:08:37,600
space but life in alternate realities

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01:08:42,550 --> 01:08:40,080
well in quantum physics

1632
01:08:45,910 --> 01:08:42,560
most of them

1633
01:08:49,110 --> 01:08:45,920
there is a disconnect between the

1634
01:08:52,229 --> 01:08:49,120
quantum physicists who nobody denies

1635
01:08:54,229 --> 01:08:52,239
at this point or almost no one denies it

1636
01:08:57,110 --> 01:08:54,239
are the orthodox

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01:09:00,789 --> 01:08:57,120
notion of the nature of reality let's

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01:09:03,269 --> 01:09:00,799
say biology and biological sciences

1639
01:09:07,510 --> 01:09:03,279
which has not had the kind of revolution

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01:09:08,789 --> 01:09:07,520
that you have in physics i think that is

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01:09:09,910 --> 01:09:08,799
coming

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and

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01:09:15,590 --> 01:09:12,799
in my opinion not only is it coming but

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that it's going to be a

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01:09:20,950 --> 01:09:18,880
a paradigm shift of major proportions

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comparable to that which occurred with

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newton and with einstein

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and

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when it occurs that is what when what

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the

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1920s

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filters out into let's say a high school

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01:09:40,550 --> 01:09:38,159
biology class we're going to look at

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01:09:42,390 --> 01:09:40,560
reality in an entirely different way but

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01:09:43,510 --> 01:09:42,400
in the meantime there's this disconnect

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between

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01:09:48,309 --> 01:09:46,480
the theoretical physicists who

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01:09:52,070 --> 01:09:48,319
nobody else is going to say that they're

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not correct but integrating that with

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bioscience or or technology or whatever

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01:10:00,550 --> 01:09:58,320
there are very few meeting points and

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01:10:02,390 --> 01:10:00,560
even where there are there seems to be

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01:10:04,709 --> 01:10:02,400
they seem to be oblivious to the

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01:10:06,870 --> 01:10:04,719
implications of it we have quantum

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01:10:09,990 --> 01:10:06,880
processes going on inside of our own

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01:10:12,709 --> 01:10:10,000
brains right now and there is a lot of

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talk in the technology sector about

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quantum computing

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is so unimaginably fast has direct

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implications

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for the theoretical structures that i'm

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01:10:30,229 --> 01:10:28,239
that i'm mentioning and yet

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01:10:31,910 --> 01:10:30,239
people that work with quantum computing

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01:10:34,310 --> 01:10:31,920
are only interested in the speed they're

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01:10:36,630 --> 01:10:34,320
not interested in the implications i

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01:10:37,830 --> 01:10:36,640
understand practical science it's it's a

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01:10:39,750 --> 01:10:37,840
good thing

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01:10:42,070 --> 01:10:39,760
but i wish there was more integration

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01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:42,080
between theory and practice but what i'm

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01:10:46,630 --> 01:10:44,400
saying it's very important gene to

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01:10:49,430 --> 01:10:46,640
realize that what i'm saying is

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01:10:51,750 --> 01:10:49,440
absolutely within the orthodox fold

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01:10:53,990 --> 01:10:51,760
there are conservative scientists who

1684
01:10:55,350 --> 01:10:54,000
would be horrified by it but very few

1685
01:10:57,990 --> 01:10:55,360
people who

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01:11:00,149 --> 01:10:58,000
actually understand quantum physics who

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01:11:01,750 --> 01:11:00,159
are not

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01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:01,760
in touch with it

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01:11:06,870 --> 01:11:03,840
and disturbed by it

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01:11:07,990 --> 01:11:06,880
because the implications are staggering

1691
01:11:11,189 --> 01:11:08,000
my

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01:11:13,270 --> 01:11:11,199
feeling is that because

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01:11:16,390 --> 01:11:13,280
this is the case

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01:11:18,870 --> 01:11:16,400
whether it's generally realized or not

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01:11:22,310 --> 01:11:18,880
in the little corner of the universe

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01:11:24,630 --> 01:11:22,320
that we work in with strange phenomena

1697
01:11:28,870 --> 01:11:24,640
and high weirdness and whatever you want

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01:11:31,350 --> 01:11:28,880
to call it the reason there has been so

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01:11:34,390 --> 01:11:31,360
or one of the main reasons there has

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01:11:37,030 --> 01:11:34,400
been so little progress

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01:11:40,470 --> 01:11:37,040
from the the earliest

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01:11:41,669 --> 01:11:40,480
investigative groups to the present is

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01:11:44,550 --> 01:11:41,679
because

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01:11:46,750 --> 01:11:44,560
most of them have stuck to the line that

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01:11:49,830 --> 01:11:46,760
either we're dealing with

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01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:49,840
extraterrestrial visitations that term

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01:11:54,229 --> 01:11:52,080
jumps out of the television sets

1708
01:11:56,229 --> 01:11:54,239
every day all you have to do is turn on

1709
01:11:58,830 --> 01:11:56,239
the history channel or even the

1710
01:12:00,870 --> 01:11:58,840
smithsonian channel and it's always

1711
01:12:03,030 --> 01:12:00,880
extraterrestrials the guy with the big

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01:12:05,110 --> 01:12:03,040
hair that looks like an antenna

1713
01:12:07,270 --> 01:12:05,120
extraterrestrial it's possible that

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01:12:09,830 --> 01:12:07,280
ancient aliens blah blah blah blah blah

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01:12:12,149 --> 01:12:09,840
aliens meaning extraterrestrials it's

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01:12:13,350 --> 01:12:12,159
possible that extraterrestrial

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01:12:16,709 --> 01:12:13,360
all of that

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01:12:18,950 --> 01:12:16,719
has gone nowhere it establishes nothing

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01:12:21,669 --> 01:12:18,960
and it's never anything that you can

1720
01:12:23,669 --> 01:12:21,679
wrap yourself around and say well here's

1721
01:12:26,790 --> 01:12:23,679
the evidence for it so the other

1722
01:12:29,030 --> 01:12:26,800
alternative in this false dichotomy is

1723
01:12:32,070 --> 01:12:29,040
that these are all explainable in terms

1724
01:12:33,990 --> 01:12:32,080
of natural phenomena i think not

1725
01:12:36,870 --> 01:12:34,000
and i think not because there's too much

1726
01:12:38,390 --> 01:12:36,880
of it and it's too prevalent throughout

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01:12:41,910 --> 01:12:38,400
human history

1728
01:12:44,070 --> 01:12:41,920
and as far back as people doing rather

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01:12:45,990 --> 01:12:44,080
sophisticated artwork on

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01:12:46,870 --> 01:12:46,000
the walls of caves

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01:12:49,510 --> 01:12:46,880
so

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01:12:52,229 --> 01:12:49,520
i think that the probability is we are

1733
01:12:56,070 --> 01:12:52,239
dealing with something quote

1734
01:12:59,030 --> 01:12:56,080
real unquote and if it's not within that

1735
01:13:00,229 --> 01:12:59,040
false dichotomy of spaceships or natural

1736
01:13:02,630 --> 01:13:00,239
phenomena

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01:13:06,229 --> 01:13:02,640
perhaps it would do well

1738
01:13:09,590 --> 01:13:06,239
for ufologists for example and perhaps

1739
01:13:12,310 --> 01:13:09,600
even parapsychologists to stop looking

1740
01:13:14,709 --> 01:13:12,320
for these uh they used to call telepathy

1741
01:13:17,430 --> 01:13:14,719
mental radio it's not has nothing to do

1742
01:13:19,910 --> 01:13:17,440
with radio or radio waves or anything

1743
01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:19,920
like that ufologists have been looking

1744
01:13:25,669 --> 01:13:22,320
to the stars and looking for ways for

1745
01:13:28,630 --> 01:13:25,679
there to be emergent ways to get around

1746
01:13:30,550 --> 01:13:28,640
the speed of light paradox for distant

1747
01:13:33,110 --> 01:13:30,560
alien visitations

1748
01:13:35,910 --> 01:13:33,120
and start looking in another direction i

1749
01:13:37,270 --> 01:13:35,920
think the confluence of paranormal

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01:13:39,430 --> 01:13:37,280
research

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01:13:43,030 --> 01:13:39,440
magic or occultism

1752
01:13:45,430 --> 01:13:43,040
ufology and the hunt for uh

1753
01:13:47,910 --> 01:13:45,440
critters cryptozoology

1754
01:13:50,310 --> 01:13:47,920
need to look in the direction that i

1755
01:13:52,310 --> 01:13:50,320
am proposing and if they do i think you

1756
01:13:53,910 --> 01:13:52,320
will find a rich reward and let me say

1757
01:13:55,910 --> 01:13:53,920
one thing about it that was that there

1758
01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:55,920
was something that i wish you had been

1759
01:13:59,990 --> 01:13:57,360
at but i don't know

1760
01:14:01,990 --> 01:14:00,000
you know what the circumstances were but

1761
01:14:05,830 --> 01:14:02,000
last summer we had

1762
01:14:07,990 --> 01:14:05,840
a reunion of many of the people who

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01:14:09,110 --> 01:14:08,000
go back to the very very beginning of

1764
01:14:11,669 --> 01:14:09,120
the

1765
01:14:14,870 --> 01:14:11,679
congress of scientific ufologists come

1766
01:14:16,630 --> 01:14:14,880
national ufo conference and

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01:14:19,030 --> 01:14:16,640
to a person

1768
01:14:20,550 --> 01:14:19,040
those who were there unless i misread

1769
01:14:22,790 --> 01:14:20,560
them badly

1770
01:14:24,149 --> 01:14:22,800
to a person

1771
01:14:26,470 --> 01:14:24,159
they all

1772
01:14:30,390 --> 01:14:26,480
had moved away from the

1773
01:14:33,350 --> 01:14:30,400
eth and towards some version

1774
01:14:35,350 --> 01:14:33,360
of an alternate reality theory and i

1775
01:14:37,590 --> 01:14:35,360
think that says something that the old

1776
01:14:39,830 --> 01:14:37,600
hands the people that

1777
01:14:41,910 --> 01:14:39,840
have been around for a very long time

1778
01:14:43,590 --> 01:14:41,920
and i believe correct me if i'm wrong i

1779
01:14:46,229 --> 01:14:43,600
mean even the name of your program

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01:14:48,229 --> 01:14:46,239
suggests that i believe you also fall

1781
01:14:50,790 --> 01:14:48,239
into that category those of us who have

1782
01:14:54,310 --> 01:14:50,800
been around for a long time it's not

1783
01:14:56,270 --> 01:14:54,320
like we can declare uh ex cathedra that

1784
01:14:58,950 --> 01:14:56,280
there is no such thing as an

1785
01:15:02,149 --> 01:14:58,960
extraterrestrial or that they cannot or

1786
01:15:05,910 --> 01:15:02,159
might not visit the earth uh even carl

1787
01:15:08,550 --> 01:15:05,920
sagan arch skeptic of such things

1788
01:15:11,910 --> 01:15:08,560
said at one time that there might be

1789
01:15:13,910 --> 01:15:11,920
a visitation maybe once in

1790
01:15:17,270 --> 01:15:13,920
thousands of years and he cited an

1791
01:15:21,830 --> 01:15:19,910
mesopotamian civilization which i also

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01:15:23,750 --> 01:15:21,840
find

1793
01:15:26,390 --> 01:15:23,760
has some credibility

1794
01:15:28,870 --> 01:15:26,400
but this notion of ongoing everyday

1795
01:15:31,830 --> 01:15:28,880
encounters and all you have to do is do

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01:15:34,630 --> 01:15:31,840
what i do with uh for my preparation for

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my blog when my computer is working

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01:15:37,590 --> 01:15:35,520
and

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01:15:40,550 --> 01:15:37,600
you will find ufo sightings somewhere in

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the world every day of the week 365 days

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01:15:44,070 --> 01:15:43,120
a year every year

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01:15:45,669 --> 01:15:44,080
since

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01:15:48,709 --> 01:15:45,679
who knows when

1804
01:15:50,950 --> 01:15:48,719
so alan has wondered by dent of the use

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of the name the power cast for the show

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01:15:55,350 --> 01:15:53,199
whether i've left the extraterrestrial

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01:15:57,669 --> 01:15:55,360
theory behind and i embrace something

1808
01:15:58,950 --> 01:15:57,679
much wider and that's worth the further

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01:16:01,430 --> 01:15:58,960
answer

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01:16:03,990 --> 01:16:01,440
we'll continue that in our next segment

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01:16:06,550 --> 01:16:04,000
next week we'll have our episode

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featuring dr kirby's surprise about

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01:16:11,030 --> 01:16:09,199
synchronicity and

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01:16:13,189 --> 01:16:11,040
don't take this to the bank yet folks

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but we have a tentative arrangement

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to feature whitley strieber and his

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newest book on the power cast

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in

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early february

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okay

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a lot more to come on the show with alan

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greenfield and gene steinberg chris

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o'brien on special assignment you're in

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[Music]

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hi it's grant cameron from presidential

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you're listening to the paracast the

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so our discussion is proceeding with

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alan greenfield my old friend the topic

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on the table is ufos not from outer

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space

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but on alternate realities but first i

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want to put this on the table

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we have this post in our forums at

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forum.theparentcast.com

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from one of our posters wade and he's

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referring to a book that you wrote some

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01:21:35,110 --> 01:21:33,760
time ago called the secret cipher of the

1945
01:21:37,590 --> 01:21:35,120
euphonauts

1946
01:21:40,070 --> 01:21:37,600
has the cipher changed do you still use

1947
01:21:43,870 --> 01:21:40,080
it to predict the next sighting for

1948
01:21:47,669 --> 01:21:43,880
yourself tell us well as of the

1949
01:21:49,590 --> 01:21:47,679
mid-1990s when the first edition of said

1950
01:21:51,669 --> 01:21:49,600
book was published

1951
01:21:53,910 --> 01:21:51,679
i thought that once my book was out

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01:21:56,550 --> 01:21:53,920
there assuming that it got a wide

1953
01:21:58,470 --> 01:21:56,560
circulation and it it has it's in the

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01:22:00,790 --> 01:21:58,480
tens of thousands

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01:22:04,070 --> 01:22:00,800
that the cipher would change

1956
01:22:06,709 --> 01:22:04,080
thus far it has not what has happened is

1957
01:22:10,470 --> 01:22:06,719
the use of the what i call the funny

1958
01:22:12,550 --> 01:22:10,480
names the strange names in abduction or

1959
01:22:15,350 --> 01:22:12,560
contact cases

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01:22:17,030 --> 01:22:15,360
has diminished so the number of cases

1961
01:22:20,149 --> 01:22:17,040
that one can

1962
01:22:23,350 --> 01:22:20,159
analyze using that particular cipher

1963
01:22:25,830 --> 01:22:23,360
have become less now whether there is

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01:22:26,790 --> 01:22:25,840
a new cipher that i don't know anything

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01:22:30,870 --> 01:22:26,800
about

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01:22:32,790 --> 01:22:30,880
i don't know i do know that if i get

1967
01:22:34,390 --> 01:22:32,800
something in the way of

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01:22:35,510 --> 01:22:34,400
a word

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01:23:08,070 --> 01:22:35,520
a

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01:23:10,709 --> 01:23:08,080
of the second edition

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01:23:14,070 --> 01:23:10,719
never paid me any royalties so i put

1972
01:23:16,950 --> 01:23:14,080
them up as pdfs on scribed and one is

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01:23:17,830 --> 01:23:16,960
welcome to read them intact

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01:23:20,870 --> 01:23:17,840
and

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01:23:21,830 --> 01:23:20,880
my hope was when i wrote them

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01:23:23,430 --> 01:23:21,840
that

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01:23:26,470 --> 01:23:23,440
other people

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01:23:29,990 --> 01:23:26,480
would use the cipher

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01:23:31,189 --> 01:23:30,000
apply it in the ways that i suggested

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01:23:35,430 --> 01:23:31,199
and

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01:23:39,030 --> 01:23:35,440
locations

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01:23:41,990 --> 01:23:39,040
mobility with me is uh more of a

1983
01:23:44,629 --> 01:23:42,000
task because i don't drive among other

1984
01:23:46,550 --> 01:23:44,639
things which uh you're a native new

1985
01:23:48,870 --> 01:23:46,560
yorker so that might not seem totally

1986
01:23:51,430 --> 01:23:48,880
strange to you but to the vast majority

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01:23:52,470 --> 01:23:51,440
of americans

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01:23:54,310 --> 01:23:52,480
that is

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01:23:55,590 --> 01:23:54,320
strange and you know that's my

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01:23:56,790 --> 01:23:55,600
particular

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01:23:58,950 --> 01:23:56,800
weirdness

1992
01:24:01,189 --> 01:23:58,960
well let me tell you this my son knows

1993
01:24:02,629 --> 01:24:01,199
how to drive but he lives in madrid

1994
01:24:05,110 --> 01:24:02,639
where there's plenty of public

1995
01:24:07,830 --> 01:24:05,120
transportation so he doesn't own a car

1996
01:24:10,390 --> 01:24:07,840
and he doesn't drive of course also cars

1997
01:24:12,950 --> 01:24:10,400
and gas are quite expensive in spain

1998
01:24:16,229 --> 01:24:12,960
yeah well there you go and my youngest

1999
01:24:18,629 --> 01:24:16,239
son who is an adult and still lives at

2000
01:24:21,189 --> 01:24:18,639
home walks to work

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01:24:22,470 --> 01:24:21,199
it makes things more difficult basically

2002
01:24:24,870 --> 01:24:22,480
and also

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01:24:27,830 --> 01:24:24,880
i'm not wealthy so

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01:24:31,750 --> 01:24:27,840
i was once but that was four marriages

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01:24:35,669 --> 01:24:31,760
ago among other things so

2006
01:24:38,629 --> 01:24:35,679
unless people invite me somewhere or

2007
01:24:40,870 --> 01:24:38,639
for an occasion and sponsor me i don't

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01:24:41,990 --> 01:24:40,880
go i mean it's as simple as that i think

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01:24:47,189 --> 01:24:42,000
the

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01:24:49,990 --> 01:24:47,199
only event that i paid my own uh way to

2011
01:24:53,189 --> 01:24:50,000
in recent years and yet i've been

2012
01:24:55,750 --> 01:24:53,199
all over the world because people will

2013
01:24:57,510 --> 01:24:55,760
sponsor me to come and spend a week

2014
01:24:58,550 --> 01:24:57,520
bringing them up to speed on all these

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01:25:00,950 --> 01:24:58,560
things

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01:25:02,950 --> 01:25:00,960
i'd like to return to this because

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01:25:05,750 --> 01:25:02,960
you asked me about the name the power

2018
01:25:07,590 --> 01:25:05,760
cast and our approach to the ufo mystery

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01:25:09,830 --> 01:25:07,600
one of the things we've maintained on

2020
01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:09,840
the power cast over the years

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01:25:14,310 --> 01:25:12,000
is that people shouldn't just look to

2022
01:25:16,709 --> 01:25:14,320
the skies for the solution to the ufo

2023
01:25:19,270 --> 01:25:16,719
mystery and we've probably run more

2024
01:25:20,950 --> 01:25:19,280
shows with those alternative theories

2025
01:25:22,709 --> 01:25:20,960
than most radio shows out there and of

2026
01:25:25,590 --> 01:25:22,719
course this is a commercial radio show

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01:25:27,910 --> 01:25:25,600
which is carried on terrestrial radio in

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01:25:30,310 --> 01:25:27,920
addition of course to being heard online

2029
01:25:32,550 --> 01:25:30,320
so in that particular category

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01:25:35,910 --> 01:25:32,560
commercial radio show we're probably

2031
01:25:37,830 --> 01:25:35,920
almost alone in talking about ufos with

2032
01:25:40,470 --> 01:25:37,840
other possible theories

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01:25:42,550 --> 01:25:40,480
that kind of makes us outliers well

2034
01:25:44,870 --> 01:25:42,560
there are a few others at least that

2035
01:25:47,350 --> 01:25:44,880
will entertain it and then one or two

2036
01:25:50,790 --> 01:25:47,360
that i can think of that

2037
01:25:53,669 --> 01:25:50,800
uh also um suggest that and maybe go

2038
01:25:56,310 --> 01:25:53,679
further than you and are more on the

2039
01:26:00,110 --> 01:25:56,320
same page as i am thinking that

2040
01:26:02,229 --> 01:26:00,120
maybe the uh eth should be the ets the

2041
01:26:04,790 --> 01:26:02,239
extraterrestrial speculation because

2042
01:26:07,510 --> 01:26:04,800
it's really not a hypothesis it's not in

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01:26:09,990 --> 01:26:07,520
the in the traditional dictionary sense

2044
01:26:12,709 --> 01:26:10,000
of that term again the exception is the

2045
01:26:14,870 --> 01:26:12,719
fact that we are on commercial radio

2046
01:26:17,350 --> 01:26:14,880
heard on normal radio stations there are

2047
01:26:19,189 --> 01:26:17,360
podcasts of course that are exceptions i

2048
01:26:20,950 --> 01:26:19,199
think one that comes to mind perhaps the

2049
01:26:23,430 --> 01:26:20,960
best one is the one that's hosted by

2050
01:26:25,270 --> 01:26:23,440
greg bishop yeah but

2051
01:26:27,990 --> 01:26:25,280
i would imagine

2052
01:26:30,229 --> 01:26:28,000
that the stuff when people say well

2053
01:26:33,030 --> 01:26:30,239
people don't uh

2054
01:26:36,709 --> 01:26:33,040
don't have the same interest in ufos

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01:26:37,990 --> 01:26:36,719
that they had 20 years ago i i say uh

2056
01:26:39,910 --> 01:26:38,000
pardon me

2057
01:26:43,990 --> 01:26:39,920
actually although the

2058
01:26:46,310 --> 01:26:44,000
level of the information is lamentable

2059
01:26:49,110 --> 01:26:46,320
what this has done is gone mainstream

2060
01:26:52,070 --> 01:26:49,120
culture all you have to do is turn on

2061
01:26:53,030 --> 01:26:52,080
any number of cable channels on tv which

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01:26:55,189 --> 01:26:53,040
reach

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01:26:57,110 --> 01:26:55,199
many millions of people

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01:26:59,590 --> 01:26:57,120
and they churn out stuff i mean i've

2065
01:27:01,430 --> 01:26:59,600
been on some of these programs and

2066
01:27:03,270 --> 01:27:01,440
they they repeat them and repeat them

2067
01:27:06,149 --> 01:27:03,280
and repeat them and then they you know

2068
01:27:07,910 --> 01:27:06,159
add to them what ancient aliens and

2069
01:27:10,149 --> 01:27:07,920
the like have been on and they're on

2070
01:27:12,070 --> 01:27:10,159
channels that have

2071
01:27:14,629 --> 01:27:12,080
that sort of pseudo stamp of

2072
01:27:15,750 --> 01:27:14,639
authenticity history smithsonian

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01:27:17,189 --> 01:27:15,760
whatever

2074
01:27:20,470 --> 01:27:17,199
um

2075
01:27:21,990 --> 01:27:20,480
but it's always eth nothing else is ever

2076
01:27:25,350 --> 01:27:22,000
discussed

2077
01:27:28,390 --> 01:27:25,360
and it's almost eth to the exclusion of

2078
01:27:30,950 --> 01:27:28,400
natural phenomena so it's it's really it

2079
01:27:33,270 --> 01:27:30,960
borders on a belief system rather than a

2080
01:27:34,070 --> 01:27:33,280
hypothesis of any sort

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01:27:36,950 --> 01:27:34,080
um

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01:27:38,950 --> 01:27:36,960
and that's what gets the i i i don't

2083
01:27:42,229 --> 01:27:38,960
imagine that you um

2084
01:27:44,629 --> 01:27:42,239
reach as many people as that and uh

2085
01:27:47,110 --> 01:27:44,639
maybe you do if you do more power to you

2086
01:27:51,350 --> 01:27:47,120
but um

2087
01:27:52,629 --> 01:27:51,360
the general thing even on radio is

2088
01:27:53,430 --> 01:27:52,639
eth

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01:27:56,550 --> 01:27:53,440
uh

2090
01:27:57,830 --> 01:27:56,560
oriented with the um

2091
01:27:59,270 --> 01:27:57,840
i'll talk

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01:28:01,110 --> 01:27:59,280
we'll call them the middle of the night

2093
01:28:03,270 --> 01:28:01,120
shows for truckers and i'm sure you'll

2094
01:28:05,110 --> 01:28:03,280
know what i'm talking about but since

2095
01:28:07,350 --> 01:28:05,120
i don't want to be excluded from their

2096
01:28:08,790 --> 01:28:07,360
universe i

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01:28:15,750 --> 01:28:08,800
i

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01:28:20,070 --> 01:28:15,760
they

2099
01:28:21,669 --> 01:28:20,080
muddying the waters for

2100
01:28:24,629 --> 01:28:21,679
the masses

2101
01:28:26,070 --> 01:28:24,639
just as there is serious paranormal

2102
01:28:28,550 --> 01:28:26,080
research

2103
01:28:31,350 --> 01:28:28,560
into apparitions and i don't mean of the

2104
01:28:33,110 --> 01:28:31,360
virgin mary i mean of the deceased but

2105
01:28:36,149 --> 01:28:33,120
not much

2106
01:28:38,470 --> 01:28:36,159
and what has happened is that

2107
01:28:40,550 --> 01:28:38,480
that research has been reduced to a

2108
01:28:43,590 --> 01:28:40,560
group of plumbers in new jersey who go

2109
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out with

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various

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measuring

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impressive looking pocket tools and

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and night

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night vision goggles and every time they

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see or hear anything they go whoa

2116
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wow like you know they're

2117
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i mean that's not

2118
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research that's strictly entertainment

2119
01:29:10,149 --> 01:29:07,520
and is uh on the same level as reality

2120
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television i mean well we've reached the

2121
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point now with reality television where

2122
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the king of reality tv

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may be president of the united states uh

2124
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that may very well be the case and it

2125
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may say something about the times we

2126
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lived in i think what was the line from

2127
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gladiator are you not entertained

2128
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this kind of reminds me of something and

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i think a lot of you will

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have empathy with this

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i had

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what we call a crazy uncle when i was a

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kid

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i had uncle george

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that was his real name uncle george was

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a retired lieutenant

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in the new york city police department

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he would tell some pretty wacky stories

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and today they would not be politically

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correct but they would arrest juvenile

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delinquents or suspected juvenile

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delinquents take them

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to

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someplace in the basement in the police

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station and knock some sense into them i

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don't know if we could believe this it

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was outrageous and now the crazy uncle

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is a multi-billionaire

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and he tells crazy stories and people

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listen to him in fact we're doing this

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show right now

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even though the show won't be heard for

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a few days opposite a certain debate in

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which the crazy uncle is featured so

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it's a pretty crazy world out there but

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before we get too crazy let me tell you

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[Music]

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this is kurt seven the author of ufo

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01:34:59,650 --> 01:34:58,560
mysteries and you're listening to the

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paracast

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[Music]

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01:35:07,110 --> 01:35:04,239
we continue our discussion with alan

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01:35:09,830 --> 01:35:07,120
greenfield we've talked about ufos and

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01:35:12,629 --> 01:35:09,840
the curious phenomenon of them winking

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01:35:15,510 --> 01:35:12,639
in and out maybe they are from other

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01:35:18,229 --> 01:35:15,520
realities maybe they are from

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01:35:20,550 --> 01:35:18,239
inside the caves in our own reality

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01:35:22,310 --> 01:35:20,560
maybe from under the sea

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01:35:25,110 --> 01:35:22,320
how do we prove it man

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01:35:27,910 --> 01:35:25,120
well you have to start by putting it in

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01:35:32,790 --> 01:35:27,920
a different context first of all i think

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01:35:34,390 --> 01:35:32,800
the notion of a hollow earth as such

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01:35:37,430 --> 01:35:34,400
is

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01:35:43,189 --> 01:35:40,390
acceptable scientific proof a term that

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01:35:46,149 --> 01:35:43,199
i don't use lightly

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01:35:48,149 --> 01:35:46,159
that the earth is in fact not hollow and

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01:35:50,950 --> 01:35:48,159
that we pretty well there are lots of

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01:35:53,189 --> 01:35:50,960
things that we don't know specifically

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01:35:56,950 --> 01:35:53,199
about the uh

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01:35:59,590 --> 01:35:56,960
the inside of the earth but it it

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01:36:01,990 --> 01:35:59,600
we do know that uh that the mass of the

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01:36:05,910 --> 01:36:02,000
earth is

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01:36:09,350 --> 01:36:05,920
uh suggests a molten core and a mantle

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01:36:11,110 --> 01:36:09,360
around it and a thin thin layer upon

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01:36:14,709 --> 01:36:11,120
which we grovel

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01:36:17,669 --> 01:36:14,719
and call ourselves human beings on on

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01:36:19,430 --> 01:36:17,679
the surface and then an atmosphere to

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01:36:22,390 --> 01:36:19,440
protect us from the

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01:36:26,070 --> 01:36:22,400
cosmic rays and rays of the sun

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01:36:28,950 --> 01:36:26,080
that is settled science what is not

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01:36:32,790 --> 01:36:28,960
settled science is is it possible that

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01:36:35,350 --> 01:36:32,800
when you go north beyond the north pole

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01:36:37,510 --> 01:36:35,360
at a certain altitude

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01:36:40,709 --> 01:36:37,520
that you may penetrate one of these

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01:36:42,229 --> 01:36:40,719
alternate realities and mistake it for

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01:36:44,390 --> 01:36:42,239
the inner earth

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01:36:47,189 --> 01:36:44,400
is it possible that there are certain

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01:36:48,310 --> 01:36:47,199
caves that are portals

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01:36:51,430 --> 01:36:48,320
and that

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01:36:53,990 --> 01:36:51,440
people i mean this is not new stuff this

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01:36:55,510 --> 01:36:54,000
is this is ray palmer's version of the

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01:36:57,590 --> 01:36:55,520
shaver mystery

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01:37:00,149 --> 01:36:57,600
palmer did not believe

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01:37:01,350 --> 01:37:00,159
that shaver was correct that these were

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01:37:04,149 --> 01:37:01,360
beings

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01:37:06,950 --> 01:37:04,159
from the interior of the earth but he

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01:37:08,070 --> 01:37:06,960
believed that shaver was telling

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01:37:09,910 --> 01:37:08,080
the truth

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01:37:13,270 --> 01:37:09,920
as he understood it

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01:37:15,109 --> 01:37:13,280
the difference being that palmer thought

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01:37:16,709 --> 01:37:15,119
that there was an inner penetration of

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01:37:18,709 --> 01:37:16,719
another reality

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01:37:22,310 --> 01:37:18,719
similarly there is

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01:37:23,910 --> 01:37:22,320
other than the marianas trench we pretty

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01:37:25,750 --> 01:37:23,920
well know

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01:37:27,830 --> 01:37:25,760
the oceans of the earth we don't know

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01:37:30,149 --> 01:37:27,840
them as well as we should we know more

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01:37:33,669 --> 01:37:30,159
about the moon than we know about the

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01:37:37,270 --> 01:37:33,679
the deepest bottoms of the of the ocean

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01:37:39,510 --> 01:37:37,280
but i think that other than

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01:37:41,109 --> 01:37:39,520
civilizations that once existed on

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01:37:42,629 --> 01:37:41,119
shorelines

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01:37:44,550 --> 01:37:42,639
that uh

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01:37:47,590 --> 01:37:44,560
various uh

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01:37:49,990 --> 01:37:47,600
climate change effects have swallowed up

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01:37:53,350 --> 01:37:50,000
and that are indeed underwater and i

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01:37:55,590 --> 01:37:53,360
cover that a lot on my facebook blog

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01:37:57,990 --> 01:37:55,600
there isn't some mysterious living

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01:38:01,189 --> 01:37:58,000
civilization under the sea

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01:38:04,310 --> 01:38:01,199
that would be more unlikely i think than

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01:38:06,149 --> 01:38:04,320
than a past civilization on mars that

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01:38:09,030 --> 01:38:06,159
when the atmosphere thinned out moved

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01:38:11,590 --> 01:38:09,040
underneath and that still exists there i

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01:38:12,870 --> 01:38:11,600
don't believe that is true but i think

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01:38:14,790 --> 01:38:12,880
it is

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01:38:16,950 --> 01:38:14,800
possible it's within the realm of

2341
01:38:20,709 --> 01:38:16,960
possibility i don't think we have any

2342
01:38:21,750 --> 01:38:20,719
kind of aquaman universe under the ocean

2343
01:38:23,750 --> 01:38:21,760
which is

2344
01:38:24,629 --> 01:38:23,760
yet another reason why i don't believe

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01:38:25,910 --> 01:38:24,639
in

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01:38:27,350 --> 01:38:25,920
supermen

2347
01:38:30,390 --> 01:38:27,360
and you certainly don't believe in a

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01:38:32,550 --> 01:38:30,400
fortress of solitude or in wonder woman

2349
01:38:35,030 --> 01:38:32,560
not in this reality no

2350
01:38:38,149 --> 01:38:35,040
there you go maybe in another reality

2351
01:38:40,790 --> 01:38:38,159
such things exist okay so for a few

2352
01:38:43,430 --> 01:38:40,800
years ray palmer continued to talk about

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01:38:44,870 --> 01:38:43,440
holes at the poles and we all assumed he

2354
01:38:47,830 --> 01:38:44,880
was talking about

2355
01:38:50,629 --> 01:38:47,840
physical holes at the poles he then

2356
01:38:53,669 --> 01:38:50,639
seems to change his tune and say that no

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01:38:56,870 --> 01:38:53,679
he's talking about holes at the poles

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01:38:59,030 --> 01:38:56,880
in the astral perhaps his simplified way

2359
01:39:01,430 --> 01:38:59,040
of talking about an alternate reality

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01:39:03,030 --> 01:39:01,440
within quantum physics going back to the

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01:39:06,390 --> 01:39:03,040
1920s

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01:39:09,030 --> 01:39:06,400
mostly mathematical terms not

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01:39:11,830 --> 01:39:09,040
virtual terms not actual terms to use

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01:39:13,669 --> 01:39:11,840
their type of language so

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01:39:16,709 --> 01:39:13,679
those of us in

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01:39:19,109 --> 01:39:16,719
ufology struggling along ray palmer

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01:39:21,430 --> 01:39:19,119
included we really had to draw on the

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01:39:23,669 --> 01:39:21,440
language of the occult or the language

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01:39:26,470 --> 01:39:23,679
of traditional

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01:39:28,790 --> 01:39:26,480
storytelling to come up with terms for

2371
01:39:31,109 --> 01:39:28,800
it the astral what is the astral well

2372
01:39:33,750 --> 01:39:31,119
that's you know that's a that's a term

2373
01:39:35,870 --> 01:39:33,760
without a specific meaning

2374
01:39:38,229 --> 01:39:35,880
it's used frequently and even uh

2375
01:39:41,350 --> 01:39:38,239
parapsychologists will use it but

2376
01:39:44,070 --> 01:39:41,360
usually in quotes but what it's

2377
01:39:45,750 --> 01:39:44,080
referring to is real enough it's the

2378
01:39:48,310 --> 01:39:45,760
notion of

2379
01:39:50,790 --> 01:39:48,320
a reality that is

2380
01:39:53,590 --> 01:39:50,800
again one of those old terms that has no

2381
01:39:54,470 --> 01:39:53,600
real meaning in a different vibrational

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01:39:56,310 --> 01:39:54,480
level

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01:40:00,070 --> 01:39:56,320
than our

2384
01:40:02,310 --> 01:40:00,080
everyday universe consensus reality as

2385
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:02,320
carlos castaneda

2386
01:40:05,109 --> 01:40:03,970
his imaginary teacher

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01:40:07,430 --> 01:40:05,119
[Music]

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01:40:09,750 --> 01:40:07,440
told him consensus reality is very

2389
01:40:12,470 --> 01:40:09,760
powerful first of all we reinforce it

2390
01:40:14,310 --> 01:40:12,480
with each other all the time from birth

2391
01:40:16,229 --> 01:40:14,320
to death we

2392
01:40:17,350 --> 01:40:16,239
are reinforcing that

2393
01:40:20,070 --> 01:40:17,360
while

2394
01:40:22,870 --> 01:40:20,080
the vast majority of human beings

2395
01:40:25,109 --> 01:40:22,880
also hold supernatural beliefs in

2396
01:40:27,189 --> 01:40:25,119
things that they can't see or know and

2397
01:40:29,669 --> 01:40:27,199
they call it faith which is actually a

2398
01:40:32,950 --> 01:40:29,679
perversion of the term faith

2399
01:40:35,669 --> 01:40:32,960
which uh originally means fidelity

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01:40:38,470 --> 01:40:35,679
that fight is faith it's a

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01:40:39,510 --> 01:40:38,480
sort of an equivalent to loyalty rather

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01:40:42,390 --> 01:40:39,520
than

2403
01:40:45,350 --> 01:40:42,400
belief as we commonly understand it now

2404
01:40:47,270 --> 01:40:45,360
science isn't about belief

2405
01:40:48,629 --> 01:40:47,280
it's about

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01:40:53,189 --> 01:40:48,639
facts

2407
01:40:55,430 --> 01:40:53,199
and being able to establish a fact by

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01:40:56,790 --> 01:40:55,440
the repeatable experiment

2409
01:40:59,109 --> 01:40:56,800
and

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01:41:01,430 --> 01:40:59,119
many experiments in

2411
01:41:05,189 --> 01:41:01,440
quantum physics have shown

2412
01:41:07,350 --> 01:41:05,199
that there is a great likelihood

2413
01:41:09,830 --> 01:41:07,360
that alternate realities

2414
01:41:13,430 --> 01:41:09,840
with alternate timelines

2415
01:41:16,709 --> 01:41:13,440
and maybe even no timeline at all exist

2416
01:41:20,070 --> 01:41:16,719
that being the case i think that

2417
01:41:22,709 --> 01:41:20,080
the notion of alternate realities

2418
01:41:26,310 --> 01:41:22,719
although the term may be

2419
01:41:27,350 --> 01:41:26,320
lame and inadequate is a very plausible

2420
01:41:30,470 --> 01:41:27,360
one

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01:41:32,830 --> 01:41:30,480
that has strong scientific backing as

2422
01:41:35,510 --> 01:41:32,840
opposed to the so-called

2423
01:41:36,550 --> 01:41:35,520
extraterrestrial hypothesis

2424
01:41:39,750 --> 01:41:36,560
and

2425
01:41:43,109 --> 01:41:39,760
to any belief system whatsoever because

2426
01:41:45,510 --> 01:41:43,119
belief systems are have become

2427
01:41:46,470 --> 01:41:45,520
just that they are they are a matter of

2428
01:41:49,430 --> 01:41:46,480
belief

2429
01:41:52,390 --> 01:41:49,440
i also have a kind of sociological

2430
01:41:55,270 --> 01:41:52,400
interest in the fact that if you go back

2431
01:41:57,669 --> 01:41:55,280
to the first flying saucer case that

2432
01:42:00,470 --> 01:41:57,679
being defined as the case where the term

2433
01:42:04,629 --> 01:42:00,480
emerged from not the actual first case

2434
01:42:05,990 --> 01:42:04,639
the kenneth arnold case june 24 1947

2435
01:42:08,550 --> 01:42:06,000
already

2436
01:42:12,229 --> 01:42:08,560
in 1947

2437
01:42:14,550 --> 01:42:12,239
that false dichotomy was being foisted

2438
01:42:17,669 --> 01:42:14,560
on people's consciousness on the

2439
01:42:19,590 --> 01:42:17,679
consensus reality either these are

2440
01:42:21,750 --> 01:42:19,600
natural phenomena

2441
01:42:23,750 --> 01:42:21,760
that are being misunderstood

2442
01:42:24,950 --> 01:42:23,760
and i'm sure there are many many cases

2443
01:42:27,270 --> 01:42:24,960
of that although i don't think the

2444
01:42:29,430 --> 01:42:27,280
percentages that you hear about or

2445
01:42:30,629 --> 01:42:29,440
anything like correct you know they say

2446
01:42:31,590 --> 01:42:30,639
95

2447
01:42:34,709 --> 01:42:31,600
uh

2448
01:42:37,270 --> 01:42:34,719
natural phenomena 5 unknown that's

2449
01:42:39,109 --> 01:42:37,280
baloney it's just not factoring in the

2450
01:42:41,590 --> 01:42:39,119
number of cases or the number of good

2451
01:42:44,550 --> 01:42:41,600
cases i think it's more like

2452
01:42:47,430 --> 01:42:44,560
50 50 really

2453
01:42:48,629 --> 01:42:47,440
and unknown may be a more difficult

2454
01:42:51,270 --> 01:42:48,639
thing to

2455
01:42:53,109 --> 01:42:51,280
define than simply leaving it as a big

2456
01:42:54,790 --> 01:42:53,119
question mark

2457
01:42:57,510 --> 01:42:54,800
in any case

2458
01:42:58,310 --> 01:42:57,520
we immediately went to the

2459
01:43:00,550 --> 01:42:58,320
their

2460
01:43:02,790 --> 01:43:00,560
little green men from mars that was the

2461
01:43:05,030 --> 01:43:02,800
term or

2462
01:43:06,629 --> 01:43:05,040
possibly venus at that time we didn't

2463
01:43:08,790 --> 01:43:06,639
know a great deal about venus they would

2464
01:43:10,950 --> 01:43:08,800
have to be the molten men

2465
01:43:11,990 --> 01:43:10,960
if they were from venus as we know now

2466
01:43:14,870 --> 01:43:12,000
but uh

2467
01:43:17,430 --> 01:43:14,880
i'm not even sure if velikovsky had any

2468
01:43:21,189 --> 01:43:17,440
correctness whether venus is actually

2469
01:43:24,310 --> 01:43:21,199
a planet as such but that's a totally

2470
01:43:25,590 --> 01:43:24,320
you know off-point question so we'll

2471
01:43:29,030 --> 01:43:25,600
leave that as

2472
01:43:31,350 --> 01:43:29,040
as saying we immediately heard about the

2473
01:43:34,629 --> 01:43:31,360
possibility we were being visited from

2474
01:43:36,790 --> 01:43:34,639
mars something that goes back to h.g

2475
01:43:39,910 --> 01:43:36,800
wells and the uh

2476
01:43:43,430 --> 01:43:39,920
the erroneous translation of

2477
01:43:47,510 --> 01:43:43,440
channels to canals from early uh

2478
01:43:49,750 --> 01:43:47,520
astronomical observations through the uh

2479
01:43:52,709 --> 01:43:49,760
distorting atmosphere of the earth for

2480
01:43:54,870 --> 01:43:52,719
which we should all be grateful

2481
01:43:58,629 --> 01:43:54,880
now let me remind you that no less than

2482
01:44:01,830 --> 01:43:58,639
ufo pioneer major donald kehoe

2483
01:44:04,149 --> 01:44:01,840
told us and this happened the day before

2484
01:44:04,830 --> 01:44:04,159
you and i went to nycap and they told me

2485
01:44:08,310 --> 01:44:04,840
to

2486
01:44:10,629 --> 01:44:08,320
leave he early on believed in the

2487
01:44:12,870 --> 01:44:10,639
martian canals and that might indicate

2488
01:44:15,270 --> 01:44:12,880
possible intelligent life on mars he

2489
01:44:18,229 --> 01:44:15,280
wrote about that in his early books

2490
01:44:20,310 --> 01:44:18,239
curious thing is here is that the theory

2491
01:44:22,950 --> 01:44:20,320
forgetting the local planets that he

2492
01:44:25,590 --> 01:44:22,960
voiced about ufos from outer space

2493
01:44:27,510 --> 01:44:25,600
mirrors the theory that's being

2494
01:44:30,870 --> 01:44:27,520
expressed today by most people in the

2495
01:44:32,950 --> 01:44:30,880
ufo field with hardly any change

2496
01:44:35,669 --> 01:44:32,960
before we go on let me introduce you

2497
01:44:37,510 --> 01:44:35,679
once again to the powercast plus i know

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protectors a former military

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her distant planet are planning to

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[Music]

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welcome back to the paracast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio

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01:48:01,030 --> 01:47:53,920
and now

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01:48:05,510 --> 01:48:02,790
subject on the table with our guest

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01:48:07,910 --> 01:48:05,520
allen greenfield is about ufos and

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01:48:10,229 --> 01:48:07,920
possible alternate realities so let's

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01:48:11,669 --> 01:48:10,239
put this on the table we have ufos

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01:48:17,109 --> 01:48:11,679
winking in and out

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01:48:20,149 --> 01:48:17,119
so is there some kind of mechanism by

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01:48:22,229 --> 01:48:20,159
which we can go from this reality to

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01:48:24,310 --> 01:48:22,239
that reality and back again

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01:48:26,709 --> 01:48:24,320
or do we go back to that book the

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01:48:28,870 --> 01:48:26,719
incomplete enchanter well the book the

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01:48:29,910 --> 01:48:28,880
incomplete enchanter had a method but it

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01:48:31,830 --> 01:48:29,920
was

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01:48:33,109 --> 01:48:31,840
the interesting thing about the camp and

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01:48:35,109 --> 01:48:33,119
pratt i think

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01:48:38,709 --> 01:48:35,119
they're both deceased now i know pride

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01:48:41,350 --> 01:48:38,719
is and i would assume decamp is but

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01:48:42,310 --> 01:48:41,360
it seems very strange in a science

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01:48:43,910 --> 01:48:42,320
fiction

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01:48:46,790 --> 01:48:43,920
science fantasy

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01:48:48,629 --> 01:48:46,800
book and series books actually they were

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01:48:50,310 --> 01:48:48,639
all the harold shea stories were

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01:48:52,709 --> 01:48:50,320
published in

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01:48:54,229 --> 01:48:52,719
the pulp science fiction magazines first

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01:48:57,350 --> 01:48:54,239
and then collected

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01:49:00,390 --> 01:48:57,360
there's a disclaimer an odd disclaimer

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01:49:03,510 --> 01:49:00,400
that we speak of thing i quote from one

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01:49:05,270 --> 01:49:03,520
of the ancient romans virgil maybe we

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01:49:08,709 --> 01:49:05,280
speak of things that don't exist and

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01:49:10,790 --> 01:49:08,719
never have existed and don't don't merit

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01:49:13,030 --> 01:49:10,800
thinking that they have any existence

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01:49:15,109 --> 01:49:13,040
why go through that disclaimer i've

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01:49:17,830 --> 01:49:15,119
never seen that in i think any other

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01:49:20,149 --> 01:49:17,840
science fiction or science fantasy book

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01:49:22,790 --> 01:49:20,159
i mean you know game of thrones assumes

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01:49:26,229 --> 01:49:22,800
that you know that that's not the real

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01:49:28,470 --> 01:49:26,239
world and it's not a real world and that

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01:49:31,669 --> 01:49:28,480
it's not necessary to say anything more

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01:49:34,390 --> 01:49:31,679
than that it be in the fiction category

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01:49:36,390 --> 01:49:34,400
not since the 19th century has been

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customary for

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01:49:42,310 --> 01:49:39,199
uh fiction to be published as

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01:49:45,830 --> 01:49:42,320
non-fiction it caused much mischief in

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01:49:48,310 --> 01:49:45,840
in things like uh bowler linton's uh

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01:49:51,030 --> 01:49:48,320
rosicrucian book and the book about the

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01:49:52,149 --> 01:49:51,040
brill the power of the coming race

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01:49:55,750 --> 01:49:52,159
which

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01:49:58,270 --> 01:49:55,760
not only was taken up by the nazis but

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01:50:01,830 --> 01:49:58,280
is now prized by the

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01:50:03,510 --> 01:50:01,840
neo-nazis uh as you can find very easily

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01:50:04,870 --> 01:50:03,520
on the internet if you

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01:50:06,310 --> 01:50:04,880
care to

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01:50:09,109 --> 01:50:06,320
do so

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01:50:12,229 --> 01:50:09,119
well i tried walking into a mirror and

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01:50:14,709 --> 01:50:12,239
then i tried walking into a shower stall

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01:50:17,189 --> 01:50:14,719
i tried all kinds of things but i was

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01:50:20,310 --> 01:50:17,199
you know like 12 or 13 when i read the

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01:50:22,870 --> 01:50:20,320
book so allow you know

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01:50:25,910 --> 01:50:22,880
the point is that

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01:50:28,070 --> 01:50:25,920
the idea in and of itself doesn't

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01:50:29,189 --> 01:50:28,080
produce any way to do it

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01:50:30,629 --> 01:50:29,199
they

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01:50:34,629 --> 01:50:30,639
the authors

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01:50:36,470 --> 01:50:34,639
imagine a formula of logic that would

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01:50:40,470 --> 01:50:36,480
essentially make

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01:50:43,030 --> 01:50:40,480
logic illogical and if they did that

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01:50:44,149 --> 01:50:43,040
focusing on a particular

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01:50:45,430 --> 01:50:44,159
fictional

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01:50:47,270 --> 01:50:45,440
traditional

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01:50:49,590 --> 01:50:47,280
book let's say

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01:50:50,709 --> 01:50:49,600
the elder edda which is one of those

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01:50:53,830 --> 01:50:50,719
that they

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01:50:56,149 --> 01:50:53,840
they used to transform themselves into

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01:50:58,149 --> 01:50:56,159
the world of norse mythology which was

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01:50:59,189 --> 01:50:58,159
my introduction to norse mythology by

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01:51:01,990 --> 01:50:59,199
the way

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01:51:04,149 --> 01:51:02,000
and was enough for me to

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01:51:06,629 --> 01:51:04,159
take a considerable interest

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01:51:07,990 --> 01:51:06,639
in it even though in most books in those

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01:51:09,430 --> 01:51:08,000
days that was

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01:51:10,709 --> 01:51:09,440
supplementary

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01:51:12,950 --> 01:51:10,719
um

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01:51:16,310 --> 01:51:12,960
i i'm not sure if i can pronounce it but

2652
01:51:19,430 --> 01:51:16,320
it was a silly jizmobile that

2653
01:51:21,990 --> 01:51:19,440
relied on syllogisms to propel you into

2654
01:51:24,070 --> 01:51:22,000
an alternate reality you can kind of get

2655
01:51:27,430 --> 01:51:24,080
the same effect from

2656
01:51:28,870 --> 01:51:27,440
lsd not recommended or from brainwave

2657
01:51:32,629 --> 01:51:28,880
synchronizers

2658
01:51:35,669 --> 01:51:32,639
recommended with caution

2659
01:51:37,750 --> 01:51:35,679
but nevertheless that doesn't take you

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01:51:40,470 --> 01:51:37,760
anywhere it just

2661
01:51:42,870 --> 01:51:40,480
allows you to see things

2662
01:51:45,750 --> 01:51:42,880
uh from a different perspective than

2663
01:51:47,430 --> 01:51:45,760
ordinary everyday reality

2664
01:51:49,430 --> 01:51:47,440
and once you've done that that's all you

2665
01:51:52,390 --> 01:51:49,440
can do with it and the tendency is to

2666
01:51:54,790 --> 01:51:52,400
keep repeating the experience which is a

2667
01:51:57,030 --> 01:51:54,800
failure

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01:51:59,270 --> 01:51:57,040
it's sort of being stuck it's a peril of

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01:52:00,709 --> 01:51:59,280
the path as we say in metaphysical

2670
01:52:01,589 --> 01:52:00,719
circles

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01:52:03,350 --> 01:52:01,599
but

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01:52:04,550 --> 01:52:03,360
if we

2673
01:52:07,910 --> 01:52:04,560
look at

2674
01:52:09,990 --> 01:52:07,920
the notion of

2675
01:52:11,589 --> 01:52:10,000
in brain or

2676
01:52:14,550 --> 01:52:11,599
multiple worlds

2677
01:52:17,270 --> 01:52:14,560
theories in physics

2678
01:52:20,390 --> 01:52:17,280
we will find people um

2679
01:52:22,709 --> 01:52:20,400
who are imminent physicists who propose

2680
01:52:25,750 --> 01:52:22,719
at least theoretical ways

2681
01:52:27,589 --> 01:52:25,760
of penetrating uh other realities in

2682
01:52:31,830 --> 01:52:27,599
fact there's an argument i think it was

2683
01:52:33,510 --> 01:52:31,840
made by michio kaku a well-known uh

2684
01:52:35,910 --> 01:52:33,520
scientist i'll be at one of those who

2685
01:52:37,589 --> 01:52:35,920
appears on television a lot which is a

2686
01:52:39,510 --> 01:52:37,599
little suspect to me maybe that's

2687
01:52:41,830 --> 01:52:39,520
hypocritical on my part

2688
01:52:43,750 --> 01:52:41,840
being the uh

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01:52:45,189 --> 01:52:43,760
can i say media on the radio i

2690
01:52:48,149 --> 01:52:45,199
guess i just did

2691
01:52:49,830 --> 01:52:48,159
um yes you can yes you did and no they

2692
01:52:52,629 --> 01:52:49,840
will not stop us

2693
01:52:55,030 --> 01:52:52,639
oh that's good because um i mean i'm

2694
01:52:58,310 --> 01:52:55,040
unabashed i i like to do

2695
01:52:59,830 --> 01:52:58,320
uh do radio and television and podcasts

2696
01:53:01,030 --> 01:52:59,840
and stuff

2697
01:53:03,430 --> 01:53:01,040
um

2698
01:53:06,390 --> 01:53:03,440
but not without reason and i don't think

2699
01:53:08,310 --> 01:53:06,400
uh people like michio kaku or for that

2700
01:53:10,470 --> 01:53:08,320
matter of the late carl sagan were doing

2701
01:53:11,430 --> 01:53:10,480
it just for the kick of it

2702
01:53:13,030 --> 01:53:11,440
um

2703
01:53:16,870 --> 01:53:13,040
but uh

2704
01:53:20,070 --> 01:53:16,880
michiokaku has proposed that the human

2705
01:53:23,669 --> 01:53:20,080
race if it means to survive the

2706
01:53:27,189 --> 01:53:23,679
inevitable end of this universe

2707
01:53:30,310 --> 01:53:27,199
needs to find a way to penetrate

2708
01:53:32,709 --> 01:53:30,320
into other universes and proposes a way

2709
01:53:34,790 --> 01:53:32,719
that only in the far future would our

2710
01:53:38,550 --> 01:53:34,800
technology allow us

2711
01:53:43,990 --> 01:53:42,070
well those of us who are in the occult

2712
01:53:46,229 --> 01:53:44,000
community

2713
01:53:49,270 --> 01:53:46,239
and who have

2714
01:53:51,109 --> 01:53:49,280
for a long time not equating it at all i

2715
01:53:52,790 --> 01:53:51,119
mean for centuries literally not

2716
01:53:56,149 --> 01:53:52,800
equating at all

2717
01:53:58,550 --> 01:53:56,159
at all with what we're discussing now

2718
01:54:02,709 --> 01:53:58,560
have been opening portals to

2719
01:54:03,750 --> 01:54:02,719
otherwear for lack of a specific term

2720
01:54:07,270 --> 01:54:03,760
and

2721
01:54:09,189 --> 01:54:07,280
uh either evoking or invoking or

2722
01:54:11,830 --> 01:54:09,199
going to

2723
01:54:14,150 --> 01:54:11,840
other ethers other

2724
01:54:16,310 --> 01:54:14,160
realms other dimensions other

2725
01:54:18,629 --> 01:54:16,320
[Music]

2726
01:54:19,510 --> 01:54:18,639
orders of reality

2727
01:54:24,310 --> 01:54:19,520
and

2728
01:54:31,350 --> 01:54:24,320
what

2729
01:54:36,870 --> 01:54:34,310
done in a specific context much of it

2730
01:54:38,229 --> 01:54:36,880
dating to

2731
01:54:41,189 --> 01:54:38,239
the uh

2732
01:54:42,709 --> 01:54:41,199
astrologer royal of queen elizabeth the

2733
01:54:44,310 --> 01:54:42,719
first

2734
01:54:45,270 --> 01:54:44,320
john d

2735
01:54:48,070 --> 01:54:45,280
but

2736
01:54:51,430 --> 01:54:48,080
probably dating far far earlier than

2737
01:54:54,070 --> 01:54:51,440
that to the ancient uh

2738
01:54:56,310 --> 01:54:54,080
dionysian electionian mysteries egyptian

2739
01:55:00,470 --> 01:54:56,320
mysteries and so forth

2740
01:55:03,030 --> 01:55:00,480
are various means by which one can open

2741
01:55:04,390 --> 01:55:03,040
portals to these

2742
01:55:11,030 --> 01:55:04,400
other places

2743
01:55:14,070 --> 01:55:11,040
this is something that can be replicated

2744
01:55:16,550 --> 01:55:14,080
something that requires some years of

2745
01:55:17,910 --> 01:55:16,560
study to be able to do

2746
01:55:18,950 --> 01:55:17,920
but once

2747
01:55:21,109 --> 01:55:18,960
you

2748
01:55:23,510 --> 01:55:21,119
have the ability to do it

2749
01:55:26,149 --> 01:55:23,520
if done properly

2750
01:55:27,510 --> 01:55:26,159
you can take someone who is skeptical of

2751
01:55:29,030 --> 01:55:27,520
it

2752
01:55:33,510 --> 01:55:29,040
who

2753
01:55:36,390 --> 01:55:33,520
knowledge going to ask you that

2754
01:55:38,550 --> 01:55:36,400
go ahead please who have no knowledge in

2755
01:55:39,430 --> 01:55:38,560
advance of it

2756
01:55:41,430 --> 01:55:39,440
and

2757
01:55:43,109 --> 01:55:41,440
you do tell them you know what what

2758
01:55:46,390 --> 01:55:43,119
you're doing but you don't tell them

2759
01:55:47,910 --> 01:55:46,400
what results to expect

2760
01:55:50,709 --> 01:55:47,920
and

2761
01:55:51,990 --> 01:55:50,719
go through the

2762
01:55:54,629 --> 01:55:52,000
ritual

2763
01:55:56,310 --> 01:55:54,639
propel them into this universe and ask

2764
01:55:58,310 --> 01:55:56,320
them what they saw

2765
01:56:00,229 --> 01:55:58,320
and it will resemble

2766
01:56:02,950 --> 01:56:00,239
uh

2767
01:56:06,950 --> 01:56:02,960
the standard model of what people see in

2768
01:56:09,830 --> 01:56:06,960
this given place in this given time

2769
01:56:11,350 --> 01:56:09,840
to a degree that uh approaches certainty

2770
01:56:13,589 --> 01:56:11,360
that they're talking about the same

2771
01:56:17,430 --> 01:56:13,599
thing and of course there are people who

2772
01:56:20,870 --> 01:56:17,440
have written accounts of it i'm not as

2773
01:56:22,870 --> 01:56:20,880
fond of the late alistair crowley as i

2774
01:56:24,310 --> 01:56:22,880
once was for a variety of reasons

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including

2776
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all of the

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nonsense that has

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been done in his name but he did write a

2779
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book called the vision in the voice

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narrates a series of

2781
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events

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involving him and one of his uh

2783
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close associates in north africa

2784
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on specific dates at specific times and

2785
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and which

2786
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i use making sure that the people that i

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am propelling voluntarily

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into these other specific realities

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haven't read and don't really know about

2790
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and are not particularly uh enamored of

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mysticism or magic or aleister crowley

2792
01:57:17,030 --> 01:57:15,520
at all

2793
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so we'll continue our discussion about

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other realities and some people believe

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that i should

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go to that other reality

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and stay there we have gene steinberg we

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have alan greenfield chris o'brien's on

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from eating too much it's not from

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2914
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we're joined this week by alan

2915
02:02:08,950 --> 02:02:06,080
greenfield an old friend of mine we got

2916
02:02:12,070 --> 02:02:08,960
started in the ufo and paranormal game

2917
02:02:14,390 --> 02:02:12,080
back in the 1960s has it been that long

2918
02:02:17,030 --> 02:02:14,400
we've been focusing quite heavily on the

2919
02:02:19,750 --> 02:02:17,040
subject of alternate realities so i pose

2920
02:02:21,270 --> 02:02:19,760
a question to my friend mr greenfield

2921
02:02:24,709 --> 02:02:21,280
and it is this

2922
02:02:26,229 --> 02:02:24,719
so you don't have a car you don't drive

2923
02:02:28,870 --> 02:02:26,239
when you want to go somewhere someone

2924
02:02:32,070 --> 02:02:28,880
has to send you the plane ticket or the

2925
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train ticket or the bus ticket to be

2926
02:02:36,550 --> 02:02:33,599
able to get there

2927
02:02:39,109 --> 02:02:36,560
so have you ever ever traveled to

2928
02:02:40,629 --> 02:02:39,119
another reality alan greenfield well i

2929
02:02:44,229 --> 02:02:40,639
can tell you this

2930
02:02:45,669 --> 02:02:44,239
i once took on my lawyer's advice

2931
02:02:49,350 --> 02:02:45,679
took my

2932
02:02:52,950 --> 02:02:49,360
then only now eldest son alex

2933
02:02:55,510 --> 02:02:52,960
on a 72-hour greyhound trip from tucson

2934
02:02:59,030 --> 02:02:55,520
to atlanta and if that wasn't a trip to

2935
02:03:01,910 --> 02:02:59,040
another reality i don't know what is

2936
02:03:02,709 --> 02:03:01,920
that was truly bizarre

2937
02:03:06,070 --> 02:03:02,719
but

2938
02:03:09,109 --> 02:03:06,080
i think of myself as a facilitator

2939
02:03:10,310 --> 02:03:09,119
in the spirit of free illuminism rather

2940
02:03:13,750 --> 02:03:10,320
than

2941
02:03:16,550 --> 02:03:13,760
a traveler myself i have done

2942
02:03:17,990 --> 02:03:16,560
enough traveling to satisfy myself that

2943
02:03:20,709 --> 02:03:18,000
it can be done

2944
02:03:22,790 --> 02:03:20,719
but having done that um i'll give you

2945
02:03:25,109 --> 02:03:22,800
the example of

2946
02:03:28,790 --> 02:03:25,119
the first time i did a

2947
02:03:32,149 --> 02:03:28,800
controlled group working this was in the

2948
02:03:33,109 --> 02:03:32,159
late 1980s early 1990s

2949
02:03:36,950 --> 02:03:33,119
and

2950
02:03:39,030 --> 02:03:36,960
at that time i was involved with a an

2951
02:03:41,990 --> 02:03:39,040
organization that will be remain

2952
02:03:44,470 --> 02:03:42,000
nameless and i was the

2953
02:03:45,430 --> 02:03:44,480
uh master of their local lodge one of

2954
02:03:47,910 --> 02:03:45,440
those

2955
02:03:50,149 --> 02:03:47,920
secret societies that isn't very secret

2956
02:03:54,390 --> 02:03:50,159
and isn't very social

2957
02:03:57,030 --> 02:03:54,400
but what i did was we had a rather nice

2958
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lodge space which had two doors both of

2959
02:04:03,830 --> 02:04:01,199
which had locks on them i had a reliable

2960
02:04:05,830 --> 02:04:03,840
tiler of my lodge that is the equivalent

2961
02:04:07,030 --> 02:04:05,840
of a guard for those people who aren't

2962
02:04:09,990 --> 02:04:07,040
familiar with

2963
02:04:12,470 --> 02:04:10,000
masonic and crypto masonic terminology

2964
02:04:15,910 --> 02:04:12,480
and i had all the right equipment for

2965
02:04:18,790 --> 02:04:15,920
this particular type of translation if

2966
02:04:22,310 --> 02:04:18,800
we can call it that or transport or

2967
02:04:23,510 --> 02:04:22,320
whatever and i had a group of people

2968
02:04:24,709 --> 02:04:23,520
that were

2969
02:04:27,030 --> 02:04:24,719
picked

2970
02:04:28,070 --> 02:04:27,040
largely because they had no previous

2971
02:04:30,950 --> 02:04:28,080
knowledge

2972
02:04:32,870 --> 02:04:30,960
of these particular workings and had no

2973
02:04:35,510 --> 02:04:32,880
particular opinion as to what they

2974
02:04:38,629 --> 02:04:35,520
expected to happen i did a fairly

2975
02:04:40,149 --> 02:04:38,639
elaborate opening and for

2976
02:04:41,589 --> 02:04:40,159
30 weeks

2977
02:04:44,470 --> 02:04:41,599
once a week

2978
02:04:47,910 --> 02:04:44,480
with an interruption for i think

2979
02:04:50,629 --> 02:04:47,920
the holidays season so it took for like

2980
02:04:51,589 --> 02:04:50,639
40 weeks to do it but on

2981
02:04:53,109 --> 02:04:51,599
30

2982
02:04:55,750 --> 02:04:53,119
occasions

2983
02:04:58,390 --> 02:04:55,760
we would lock the doors i would

2984
02:05:00,550 --> 02:04:58,400
do the invocation and stand by one of

2985
02:05:02,870 --> 02:05:00,560
the doors locked

2986
02:05:04,070 --> 02:05:02,880
my tyler would stand by the other door

2987
02:05:07,350 --> 02:05:04,080
locked

2988
02:05:08,550 --> 02:05:07,360
and the person propelled into this other

2989
02:05:10,390 --> 02:05:08,560
reality

2990
02:05:11,430 --> 02:05:10,400
the scryer

2991
02:05:14,070 --> 02:05:11,440
would

2992
02:05:16,229 --> 02:05:14,080
go into this reality

2993
02:05:18,870 --> 02:05:16,239
uh there was one occasion actually where

2994
02:05:21,669 --> 02:05:18,880
we handed a physical object

2995
02:05:23,910 --> 02:05:21,679
to a person who was in some kind of

2996
02:05:27,830 --> 02:05:23,920
trouble actually was a sword

2997
02:05:30,629 --> 02:05:27,840
in difficulty in this alternate reality

2998
02:05:32,310 --> 02:05:30,639
things can go wrong

2999
02:05:33,430 --> 02:05:32,320
there is a certain amount of risk

3000
02:05:35,030 --> 02:05:33,440
although

3001
02:05:36,070 --> 02:05:35,040
i limit that when i'm dealing with other

3002
02:05:38,149 --> 02:05:36,080
people

3003
02:05:40,950 --> 02:05:38,159
just for ethical reasons

3004
02:05:43,669 --> 02:05:40,960
and afterwards i would close the portal

3005
02:05:45,990 --> 02:05:43,679
which is something i always tell people

3006
02:05:46,950 --> 02:05:46,000
who get involved with this

3007
02:05:50,470 --> 02:05:46,960
learn

3008
02:05:53,030 --> 02:05:50,480
banishing and exorcism and closings

3009
02:05:55,189 --> 02:05:53,040
before you learn anything else become

3010
02:05:58,149 --> 02:05:55,199
consummately good at that

3011
02:06:01,510 --> 02:05:58,159
like a soldier who can field strip an

3012
02:06:03,589 --> 02:06:01,520
m16 and put it back together in the dark

3013
02:06:05,669 --> 02:06:03,599
you need to be able to do that if you're

3014
02:06:06,709 --> 02:06:05,679
scared to death

3015
02:06:13,430 --> 02:06:06,719
if you're

3016
02:06:16,550 --> 02:06:13,440
altered mental state of that there were

3017
02:06:17,830 --> 02:06:16,560
no drugs or alcohol or anything else

3018
02:06:20,149 --> 02:06:17,840
other than

3019
02:06:21,350 --> 02:06:20,159
ritual involved in this series of

3020
02:06:23,270 --> 02:06:21,360
activities

3021
02:06:25,589 --> 02:06:23,280
learn to close it

3022
02:06:27,189 --> 02:06:25,599
there's a portal in pasadena that was

3023
02:06:27,950 --> 02:06:27,199
opened

3024
02:06:29,750 --> 02:06:27,960
in

3025
02:06:32,790 --> 02:06:29,760
1945

3026
02:06:35,430 --> 02:06:32,800
some people who argue the modern ufo is

3027
02:06:37,430 --> 02:06:35,440
different from older things argue that

3028
02:06:38,870 --> 02:06:37,440
it's never been closed and that was the

3029
02:06:40,950 --> 02:06:38,880
origin of the

3030
02:06:42,790 --> 02:06:40,960
of the ufos because they didn't close

3031
02:06:45,030 --> 02:06:42,800
the portal um

3032
02:06:47,030 --> 02:06:45,040
that was done by

3033
02:06:48,950 --> 02:06:47,040
a scientist from jet propulsion

3034
02:06:51,109 --> 02:06:48,960
laboratory who was also an occultist and

3035
02:06:52,870 --> 02:06:51,119
blew himself up nothing that dramatic

3036
02:06:53,990 --> 02:06:52,880
happened we had a lot of dramatic things

3037
02:06:55,830 --> 02:06:54,000
happen

3038
02:06:58,870 --> 02:06:55,840
but i won't give you the side things

3039
02:07:00,229 --> 02:06:58,880
they're distracting the major thing is i

3040
02:07:02,790 --> 02:07:00,239
did have

3041
02:07:04,149 --> 02:07:02,800
crowley's account of his experience in

3042
02:07:05,350 --> 02:07:04,159
the same

3043
02:07:07,270 --> 02:07:05,360
they're called

3044
02:07:09,669 --> 02:07:07,280
ethers the 30

3045
02:07:12,629 --> 02:07:09,679
enochian ethers

3046
02:07:14,149 --> 02:07:12,639
so i had his standard accounts from the

3047
02:07:16,629 --> 02:07:14,159
vision and the voice

3048
02:07:19,430 --> 02:07:16,639
i was careful that no one in the room

3049
02:07:21,830 --> 02:07:19,440
had any experience of that or anything

3050
02:07:24,229 --> 02:07:21,840
you know closely resembling that

3051
02:07:26,310 --> 02:07:24,239
and i would have them tell what their

3052
02:07:29,270 --> 02:07:26,320
experience was to the group of people

3053
02:07:31,030 --> 02:07:29,280
who were there and then i would read

3054
02:07:33,750 --> 02:07:31,040
the account from the vision and the

3055
02:07:36,229 --> 02:07:33,760
voice which dates from i forget exactly

3056
02:07:38,310 --> 02:07:36,239
but circa 1910

3057
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and the accounts

3058
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were so similar that there could be very

3059
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very little doubt

3060
02:07:48,149 --> 02:07:45,760
that what this person who had no

3061
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previous experience or

3062
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reading in that area

3063
02:07:55,109 --> 02:07:51,760
had had

3064
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was essentially the same thing the same

3065
02:08:00,149 --> 02:07:58,000
place the same universe

3066
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as the one that

3067
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crowley had written about

3068
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or his scribe had written about to his

3069
02:08:12,310 --> 02:08:10,870
so many years before 75 years or so

3070
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before

3071
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i think that that constitutes

3072
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given that there was no

3073
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available exit from the room

3074
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that the doors were being monitored that

3075
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the people

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were rather

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closely filtered so that we were not

3078
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dealing with people who had memorized

3079
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these things or even simply read them

3080
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somewhere in their past and and

3081
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uh sort of unconsciously absorb them so

3082
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that they could imagine that they were

3083
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going to these places and it was the

3084
02:08:45,669 --> 02:08:43,360
same experience

3085
02:08:48,709 --> 02:08:45,679
it was published in the little

3086
02:08:52,229 --> 02:08:48,719
hardcopy newsletter that we all did back

3087
02:08:54,390 --> 02:08:52,239
in the day and uh

3088
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i have really never forgotten that one

3089
02:09:00,950 --> 02:08:57,280
because while i have repeated this

3090
02:09:03,189 --> 02:09:00,960
experiment uh since with uh the same

3091
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success nevertheless the first time you

3092
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do anything

3093
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significant it leaves a very very strong

3094
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impression i might add that i did not

3095
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conduct this until i had achieved a

3096
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considerable

3097
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level of expertise in this area or i

3098
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wouldn't have uh

3099
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even remotely attempted it with with

3100
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other people and i would not urge people

3101
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to run out by the vision of the voice

3102
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which i have no stake in and which i

3103
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think is probably out of copyright

3104
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anyway

3105
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so anybody you know whatever it's

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available but

3107
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this is not something to do lightly

3108
02:09:44,870 --> 02:09:42,880
but it nevertheless is something that

3109
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if we put it into broader practice

3110
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perhaps could be applied specifically

3111
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to some of the

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ufo

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have gone to or been in touch with

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we'll continue that discussion in our

3115
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next segment

3116
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we'll talk about abductions before maybe

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we're abducted

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no set that aside we have alan

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3231
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we continue with my old friend alan

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greenfield how old a friend well i've

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known him for what 50 years or more more

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than half a century and we've stayed

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young using that rejuvenation formula

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that we will not give out on the air yes

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but if we had that to advertise we'd

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make a lot of money yes we would

3239
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something to think about for the future

3240
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future future in fact a recent guest we

3241
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had

3242
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a ufo abduction researcher dr david

3243
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jacobs

3244
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well his presence is contentious on the

3245
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show when we had him on people like him

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people don't care lots of people hate it

3247
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it really started the controversy

3248
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in fact we had more hate messages in our

3249
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forums and we've seen there for many

3250
02:15:50,470 --> 02:15:48,079
years so we know that abductions it's a

3251
02:15:52,870 --> 02:15:50,480
contentious controversial subject since

3252
02:15:55,430 --> 02:15:52,880
you raised the issue with abductions are

3253
02:15:58,310 --> 02:15:55,440
the abductees going somewhere

3254
02:16:01,430 --> 02:15:58,320
or is it all happening in their heads

3255
02:16:04,149 --> 02:16:01,440
well first of all uh it's sort of like

3256
02:16:06,950 --> 02:16:04,159
near-death experiences now that

3257
02:16:08,069 --> 02:16:06,960
near-death experiences are fairly widely

3258
02:16:13,030 --> 02:16:08,079
known

3259
02:16:15,990 --> 02:16:13,040
it's possible that the consensus reality

3260
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common to people at least in our society

3261
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is broad enough

3262
02:16:23,510 --> 02:16:20,560
that some of the phenomena associated

3263
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with near-death experiences could be

3264
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so to speak programmed into people and

3265
02:16:33,030 --> 02:16:29,040
people who have

3266
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had near-death experiences might imagine

3267
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that they were having the same

3268
02:16:38,070 --> 02:16:36,000
experience

3269
02:16:39,589 --> 02:16:38,080
now i have to tell you we had a guest

3270
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editorial

3271
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by a famous paranormal blogger known as

3272
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red pill junkie and he wrote a piece

3273
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about the possible connection between

3274
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near-death experiences and ufo

3275
02:16:53,750 --> 02:16:51,679
abductions it is territory we've also

3276
02:16:56,070 --> 02:16:53,760
mined on the show but let me say this

3277
02:16:58,070 --> 02:16:56,080
about the near-death experiences

3278
02:17:01,110 --> 02:16:58,080
once you start to do a historical

3279
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research once again you will find that

3280
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near-death experiences before they were

3281
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well known before it became

3282
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a fairly

3283
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widely known phenomenon and it's still

3284
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not you know on the tip of the tongue of

3285
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everybody and it isn't universally

3286
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believed in or any of that

3287
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nevertheless it is fairly widely known

3288
02:17:23,910 --> 02:17:22,080
now and those people who are

3289
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professional skeptics are going to say

3290
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well you know the previous case has

3291
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influenced it which begs the question

3292
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well

3293
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what about the first case there is no

3294
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first case they go back to

3295
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to ancient times and i've published

3296
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cases that uh i have the same

3297
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characteristics that are ancient

3298
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but it's not what was expected

3299
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i

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remember that the uh

3301
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well i mean i follow reform judaism

3302
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which is not big on the afterlife i

3303
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think maybe because

3304
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the jews came out of egyptian servitude

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in a society that was obsessed with

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death and the afterlife and that was

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sort of the supreme

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interest of egyptian civilization and so

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much so that i think the jews tended to

3310
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relegate the afterlife to being either a

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non-thing or something that

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you didn't want to emphasize

3313
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the present

3314
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existence is the one that was important

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i think there's merit in the notion of

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the here and now is what we should be

3317
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living and not living for pie in the sky

3318
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when we die by and by that doesn't mean

3319
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that we shouldn't look into as

3320
02:18:40,469 --> 02:18:39,120
scientific illuminists we should not

3321
02:18:43,509 --> 02:18:40,479
look into

3322
02:18:45,910 --> 02:18:43,519
what evidence there is if any for

3323
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afterlife experiences whether it be

3324
02:18:52,389 --> 02:18:49,519
near-death experiences or apparitions or

3325
02:18:54,230 --> 02:18:52,399
whatever those things are worthy of

3326
02:18:55,910 --> 02:18:54,240
study and there are there is an

3327
02:18:58,629 --> 02:18:55,920
interesting case to be made and that is

3328
02:19:00,629 --> 02:18:58,639
within my my purview and i do see

3329
02:19:04,070 --> 02:19:00,639
similarities between that and abduction

3330
02:19:07,349 --> 02:19:04,080
experiences however we have cases with

3331
02:19:10,790 --> 02:19:07,359
the same characteristics going back

3332
02:19:13,669 --> 02:19:10,800
as far as we care to go back at least as

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02:19:15,830 --> 02:19:13,679
far as literate society goes back that's

3334
02:19:17,830 --> 02:19:15,840
the only records we could have

3335
02:19:20,790 --> 02:19:17,840
so it is doubtful that it's the

3336
02:19:22,150 --> 02:19:20,800
influence of the famous cases of that

3337
02:19:24,629 --> 02:19:22,160
sort that

3338
02:19:26,790 --> 02:19:24,639
are influencing people to experience

3339
02:19:30,469 --> 02:19:26,800
them now the same is true with abduction

3340
02:19:33,429 --> 02:19:30,479
cases okay you could say that relative

3341
02:19:35,110 --> 02:19:33,439
late comers are simply

3342
02:19:37,910 --> 02:19:35,120
repeating the stories whether

3343
02:19:40,150 --> 02:19:37,920
deliberately or from their imagination

3344
02:19:42,709 --> 02:19:40,160
or whatever but those of us who've been

3345
02:19:45,669 --> 02:19:42,719
around when ufology was a very small

3346
02:19:48,710 --> 02:19:45,679
circle of people and interest in ufos

3347
02:19:50,710 --> 02:19:48,720
consisted of public interest in ufos

3348
02:19:51,830 --> 02:19:50,720
consisted of interest in lights in the

3349
02:19:54,630 --> 02:19:51,840
sky

3350
02:19:57,429 --> 02:19:54,640
any kind of abduction experience was

3351
02:20:00,469 --> 02:19:57,439
sort of laughed off or relegated to

3352
02:20:02,950 --> 02:20:00,479
giant rock contactism and

3353
02:20:05,349 --> 02:20:02,960
it was considered either to be a hoax or

3354
02:20:07,830 --> 02:20:05,359
some kind of uh derangement of the

3355
02:20:10,550 --> 02:20:07,840
senses that being the case

3356
02:20:13,670 --> 02:20:10,560
there was not a huge number of there

3357
02:20:16,230 --> 02:20:13,680
were not a huge number of people that

3358
02:20:18,469 --> 02:20:16,240
had knowledge of the specifics of these

3359
02:20:20,550 --> 02:20:18,479
cases when i started investigating them

3360
02:20:24,309 --> 02:20:20,560
and when you started investigating i

3361
02:20:25,030 --> 02:20:24,319
mean i conducted investigations on site

3362
02:20:31,030 --> 02:20:25,040
in

3363
02:20:33,910 --> 02:20:31,040
early 1970s and at that time there was

3364
02:20:36,150 --> 02:20:33,920
uh there was no i'm not even sure when

3365
02:20:38,870 --> 02:20:36,160
the term abduction came along but you

3366
02:20:40,790 --> 02:20:38,880
know it sort of migrated from contactees

3367
02:20:44,309 --> 02:20:40,800
to abductees

3368
02:20:46,790 --> 02:20:44,319
but with the exception of a few cases

3369
02:20:49,510 --> 02:20:46,800
that are very well known of contactees

3370
02:20:52,469 --> 02:20:49,520
who wrote books there is a continuity of

3371
02:20:54,950 --> 02:20:52,479
the phenomena that suggests that before

3372
02:20:57,190 --> 02:20:54,960
it became public knowledge people were

3373
02:21:00,630 --> 02:20:57,200
independently having very similar

3374
02:21:03,910 --> 02:21:00,640
experiences now i will say this

3375
02:21:05,670 --> 02:21:03,920
if there is criticism of of dr jacobs

3376
02:21:08,309 --> 02:21:05,680
and i believe he's a psychologist he

3377
02:21:10,870 --> 02:21:08,319
uses hypnotherapy does he not more or

3378
02:21:14,309 --> 02:21:10,880
less dr jacobs is self-taught he's a

3379
02:21:16,710 --> 02:21:14,319
retired history professor he watched

3380
02:21:19,830 --> 02:21:16,720
but hopkins in action took a course or

3381
02:21:21,429 --> 02:21:19,840
two but that's about it hypnosis i first

3382
02:21:24,150 --> 02:21:21,439
became aware of

3383
02:21:27,349 --> 02:21:24,160
in reincarnation cases

3384
02:21:29,590 --> 02:21:27,359
it is characteristic of hypnosis

3385
02:21:32,309 --> 02:21:29,600
that one is

3386
02:21:35,110 --> 02:21:32,319
has difficulty distinguishing between

3387
02:21:37,349 --> 02:21:35,120
reality and fantasy particularly if

3388
02:21:41,349 --> 02:21:37,359
there are underpinnings like some kind

3389
02:21:44,230 --> 02:21:41,359
of shock from the past very particularly

3390
02:21:47,190 --> 02:21:44,240
in terms of if there are

3391
02:21:48,790 --> 02:21:47,200
suggestive questions like did you enter

3392
02:21:50,469 --> 02:21:48,800
the craft

3393
02:21:52,389 --> 02:21:50,479
you know that's assuming that there is

3394
02:21:55,190 --> 02:21:52,399
something to enter and assuming that it

3395
02:21:56,950 --> 02:21:55,200
is a craft i just want to interrupt you

3396
02:21:58,630 --> 02:21:56,960
for a moment here this is an area where

3397
02:22:01,510 --> 02:21:58,640
we had kind of a bone of contention with

3398
02:22:03,270 --> 02:22:01,520
dr jacobs he maintains you can't lead a

3399
02:22:04,230 --> 02:22:03,280
witness you can't take him to an area

3400
02:22:06,790 --> 02:22:04,240
where

3401
02:22:09,030 --> 02:22:06,800
they're not going to go you can't say

3402
02:22:11,270 --> 02:22:09,040
what was on the other side of the door

3403
02:22:13,830 --> 02:22:11,280
when they didn't see a door you can't

3404
02:22:16,150 --> 02:22:13,840
make them do that according to him the

3405
02:22:18,550 --> 02:22:16,160
subject will simply say there was no

3406
02:22:21,670 --> 02:22:18,560
door now i realize the normal practice

3407
02:22:24,230 --> 02:22:21,680
here would be to ask them questions but

3408
02:22:26,870 --> 02:22:24,240
not lead them to make assumptions about

3409
02:22:29,590 --> 02:22:26,880
something so that's an area where dr

3410
02:22:31,349 --> 02:22:29,600
jacobs seems to part company with the

3411
02:22:35,110 --> 02:22:31,359
traditional way this is done

3412
02:22:38,150 --> 02:22:35,120
well um my feeling is that he is

3413
02:22:40,389 --> 02:22:38,160
incorrect on that yes i agree with you

3414
02:22:42,870 --> 02:22:40,399
100 that was a point of contention we

3415
02:22:45,670 --> 02:22:42,880
had when we interviewed him last i would

3416
02:22:47,510 --> 02:22:45,680
have to look at his specific

3417
02:22:51,030 --> 02:22:47,520
line of questioning

3418
02:22:54,070 --> 02:22:51,040
to determine whether he was leading and

3419
02:22:57,190 --> 02:22:54,080
also whether the person simply was

3420
02:22:59,510 --> 02:22:57,200
objectifying a fantasy to

3421
02:23:01,510 --> 02:22:59,520
it is certainly true in hypnosis that

3422
02:23:04,070 --> 02:23:01,520
there is an attempt made by the

3423
02:23:06,710 --> 02:23:04,080
hypnotized person to be pleasing to the

3424
02:23:08,230 --> 02:23:06,720
hypnotist if you've ever watched a stage

3425
02:23:10,790 --> 02:23:08,240
hypnotist

3426
02:23:12,070 --> 02:23:10,800
cause people by suggestion to do

3427
02:23:14,389 --> 02:23:12,080
embarrassing things through

3428
02:23:16,630 --> 02:23:14,399
post-hypnotic suggestion

3429
02:23:19,110 --> 02:23:16,640
you know that they're trying to please

3430
02:23:22,230 --> 02:23:19,120
the hypnotist not themselves

3431
02:23:24,150 --> 02:23:22,240
and the the net effect is to do

3432
02:23:26,389 --> 02:23:24,160
something humiliating for the immune to

3433
02:23:27,670 --> 02:23:26,399
the audience which i find contemptible

3434
02:23:28,630 --> 02:23:27,680
not funny

3435
02:23:30,710 --> 02:23:28,640
um

3436
02:23:31,750 --> 02:23:30,720
i have used hypnosis

3437
02:23:34,870 --> 02:23:31,760
for

3438
02:23:36,469 --> 02:23:34,880
purposes similar to this but i i do it

3439
02:23:38,469 --> 02:23:36,479
with a grain of salt

3440
02:23:40,790 --> 02:23:38,479
in our final segment of the show we'll

3441
02:23:43,590 --> 02:23:40,800
ask you about your hypnosis about your

3442
02:23:46,309 --> 02:23:43,600
experiences i am also going to ask you

3443
02:23:49,030 --> 02:23:46,319
whether you have taken any courses in

3444
02:23:51,110 --> 02:23:49,040
terms of hypnotherapy or any kind of

3445
02:23:53,190 --> 02:23:51,120
course with regard to hypnosis

3446
02:23:56,070 --> 02:23:53,200
and as you can see alan greenfield has a

3447
02:23:57,990 --> 02:23:56,080
wide range of subjects to talk about

3448
02:23:59,429 --> 02:23:58,000
we're only scratching the surface here

3449
02:24:01,670 --> 02:23:59,439
it's been several years since we've had

3450
02:24:03,429 --> 02:24:01,680
him on the show but we've got to get him

3451
02:24:04,710 --> 02:24:03,439
on again real soon

3452
02:24:07,030 --> 02:24:04,720
all right

3453
02:24:09,590 --> 02:24:07,040
by the way next week we'll be featuring

3454
02:24:12,070 --> 02:24:09,600
dr kirby surprise to talk about

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synchronicity chris o'brien's on special

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assignment i'm gene steinberg he's alan

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you're listening to the paracast the

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so i was going to ask alan greenfield

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before we broke and before he continued

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with his description of his hypnotic

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sessions have you taken training as a

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hypnotist or yourself talk what well i

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don't do hypnosis as a matter of course

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02:29:09,190 --> 02:29:07,520
but yes i have had training in the past

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in that area that's not my area of

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specialization my special interests are

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in

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a comparative religion and

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the other things that i do i do out of

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long interest in them you know if you

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want credentials my credentials are in

3583
02:29:27,510 --> 02:29:24,880
those areas i have some kind of

3584
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certification in hypnotism but it dates

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from the 1970s and i don't do it very

3586
02:29:35,349 --> 02:29:32,960
much but i do understand the process and

3587
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i know that in reincarnation cases for

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example hypnotic cases i find going all

3589
02:29:43,190 --> 02:29:40,000
the way back to the bride murphy case

3590
02:29:43,990 --> 02:29:43,200
which was the very very popular case in

3591
02:29:57,990 --> 02:29:44,000
the

3592
02:30:01,110 --> 02:29:58,000
subliminal hostility i think involved

3593
02:30:05,030 --> 02:30:01,120
but in any case the bride murphy case

3594
02:30:06,870 --> 02:30:05,040
is probably based on imagination and i

3595
02:30:09,349 --> 02:30:06,880
believe it was

3596
02:30:12,630 --> 02:30:09,359
robert graves who did an analysis in

3597
02:30:14,550 --> 02:30:12,640
playboy of all places that showed the

3598
02:30:17,670 --> 02:30:14,560
greater plausibility of it being an

3599
02:30:20,469 --> 02:30:17,680
imaginary experience although sincere

3600
02:30:23,110 --> 02:30:20,479
done under hypnosis rather than an

3601
02:30:24,309 --> 02:30:23,120
actual past life but i make a great

3602
02:30:26,630 --> 02:30:24,319
distinction because i think

3603
02:30:29,990 --> 02:30:26,640
reincarnation is a reality between the

3604
02:30:32,550 --> 02:30:30,000
spontaneous mostly child early childhood

3605
02:30:34,150 --> 02:30:32,560
cases that have been verified

3606
02:30:37,590 --> 02:30:34,160
of which there are

3607
02:30:40,389 --> 02:30:37,600
thousands and many of them documented by

3608
02:30:42,389 --> 02:30:40,399
the late dr ian stevenson and his

3609
02:30:45,429 --> 02:30:42,399
successors now at the university of

3610
02:30:48,070 --> 02:30:45,439
virginia those cases done under hypnosis

3611
02:30:50,309 --> 02:30:48,080
they're possible but it's also possible

3612
02:30:51,910 --> 02:30:50,319
that they are invented in one way or

3613
02:30:54,309 --> 02:30:51,920
another regardless of the training of

3614
02:30:58,309 --> 02:30:54,319
the hypnotists the betty and barney hill

3615
02:31:00,550 --> 02:30:58,319
case ufo case was done by a psychiatrist

3616
02:31:02,870 --> 02:31:00,560
who had been trained in hypnosis but

3617
02:31:04,950 --> 02:31:02,880
used hypnosis and i think

3618
02:31:06,710 --> 02:31:04,960
there was a real experience in there but

3619
02:31:08,150 --> 02:31:06,720
i think there's also some dreamlike

3620
02:31:10,309 --> 02:31:08,160
material that

3621
02:31:11,750 --> 02:31:10,319
is suggestive of the hypnotic process

3622
02:31:14,150 --> 02:31:11,760
i'd rather

3623
02:31:16,870 --> 02:31:14,160
deal with what people can recall without

3624
02:31:18,150 --> 02:31:16,880
hypnosis than what is recalled under

3625
02:31:19,670 --> 02:31:18,160
hypnosis

3626
02:31:22,469 --> 02:31:19,680
it would have been

3627
02:31:25,030 --> 02:31:22,479
hard to have two people remembering the

3628
02:31:27,190 --> 02:31:25,040
same thing except that one of them

3629
02:31:30,389 --> 02:31:27,200
talked in their sleep so it is possible

3630
02:31:32,710 --> 02:31:30,399
there was a transmigration of of

3631
02:31:35,270 --> 02:31:32,720
information that was fantasy

3632
02:31:37,429 --> 02:31:35,280
there having said that i tend to think

3633
02:31:39,030 --> 02:31:37,439
that the hill case was a legitimate

3634
02:31:41,590 --> 02:31:39,040
abduction case

3635
02:31:44,630 --> 02:31:41,600
by legitimate do you mean that they were

3636
02:31:47,670 --> 02:31:44,640
taken away by et's or what well i don't

3637
02:31:50,630 --> 02:31:47,680
think there are et's remember so i think

3638
02:31:52,790 --> 02:31:50,640
they had the kind of experience that in

3639
02:31:55,349 --> 02:31:52,800
a previous era would have been called a

3640
02:31:58,469 --> 02:31:55,359
mystical experience a road to damascus

3641
02:32:00,710 --> 02:31:58,479
experience an epiphany the details of

3642
02:32:02,550 --> 02:32:00,720
epiphanies will vary from person to

3643
02:32:05,590 --> 02:32:02,560
person that's why the great world

3644
02:32:08,389 --> 02:32:05,600
religions all start out with epiphanies

3645
02:32:11,030 --> 02:32:08,399
by individual people and then diverge in

3646
02:32:13,429 --> 02:32:11,040
certain ways but which have certain

3647
02:32:17,590 --> 02:32:13,439
common denominators among them in the

3648
02:32:19,990 --> 02:32:17,600
1890s a canadian psychiatrist dr buff

3649
02:32:21,750 --> 02:32:20,000
documented many cases throughout history

3650
02:32:23,990 --> 02:32:21,760
in a book called cosmic consciousness

3651
02:32:26,230 --> 02:32:24,000
and that has been followed up on

3652
02:32:29,030 --> 02:32:26,240
although not comprehensively since that

3653
02:32:31,190 --> 02:32:29,040
time by people like aldous huxley and a

3654
02:32:33,270 --> 02:32:31,200
variety of others and i think that that

3655
02:32:35,510 --> 02:32:33,280
that is a genuine phenomena william

3656
02:32:38,309 --> 02:32:35,520
james of course in the variety of

3657
02:32:40,710 --> 02:32:38,319
religious experiences focuses on that

3658
02:32:41,990 --> 02:32:40,720
and that is in my area of expertise and

3659
02:32:44,710 --> 02:32:42,000
it's something that has happened

3660
02:32:46,150 --> 02:32:44,720
throughout history you have an encounter

3661
02:32:48,150 --> 02:32:46,160
with the what's it and then you

3662
02:32:50,950 --> 02:32:48,160
translate it into the terms of the

3663
02:32:52,950 --> 02:32:50,960
culture and circumstances of your own

3664
02:32:54,790 --> 02:32:52,960
life some people draw religious

3665
02:32:56,710 --> 02:32:54,800
conclusions from it some people draw

3666
02:32:59,670 --> 02:32:56,720
political conclusions from it and some

3667
02:33:02,070 --> 02:32:59,680
people draw extraterrestrial conclusions

3668
02:33:03,990 --> 02:33:02,080
from it but just call it mystical

3669
02:33:06,870 --> 02:33:04,000
experience and you're getting closer to

3670
02:33:08,309 --> 02:33:06,880
the truth as to what it is all right but

3671
02:33:10,710 --> 02:33:08,319
everybody still wants to believe it's

3672
02:33:13,349 --> 02:33:10,720
eating not everybody when i say

3673
02:33:17,270 --> 02:33:13,359
everybody the vast majority of people

3674
02:33:19,590 --> 02:33:17,280
who look into ufos believe e-t-e-t

3675
02:33:22,389 --> 02:33:19,600
because that's what they're told by the

3676
02:33:25,670 --> 02:33:22,399
so-called experts repeatedly and with

3677
02:33:28,389 --> 02:33:25,680
gusto it blares out of the television it

3678
02:33:30,950 --> 02:33:28,399
came from books from pulp writers turned

3679
02:33:35,349 --> 02:33:30,960
ufologists like our old friend the

3680
02:33:37,590 --> 02:33:35,359
sainted late retired major kehoe

3681
02:33:39,910 --> 02:33:37,600
from the earliest days of the ufo

3682
02:33:41,750 --> 02:33:39,920
mystery that has been the

3683
02:33:43,670 --> 02:33:41,760
paradigm that people have been presented

3684
02:33:45,910 --> 02:33:43,680
with so if that's all they're presented

3685
02:33:47,830 --> 02:33:45,920
with people are going to say oh yeah

3686
02:33:50,309 --> 02:33:47,840
this is i believe in life in other

3687
02:33:52,469 --> 02:33:50,319
planets that's your typical

3688
02:33:54,150 --> 02:33:52,479
response from your typical guy on the

3689
02:33:55,990 --> 02:33:54,160
streets of philadelphia if you ask them

3690
02:33:57,590 --> 02:33:56,000
about it or i don't believe that there's

3691
02:33:59,510 --> 02:33:57,600
life on other planets so i don't believe

3692
02:34:02,389 --> 02:33:59,520
there are any flying sauce

3693
02:34:03,910 --> 02:34:02,399
those are not the only two possibilities

3694
02:34:05,190 --> 02:34:03,920
and

3695
02:34:08,070 --> 02:34:05,200
those are the only two that are

3696
02:34:09,750 --> 02:34:08,080
presented in mass media so what we need

3697
02:34:12,150 --> 02:34:09,760
to address is

3698
02:34:14,710 --> 02:34:12,160
present some other alternatives and see

3699
02:34:17,910 --> 02:34:14,720
where public consciousness goes we're

3700
02:34:19,670 --> 02:34:17,920
doing that right now

3701
02:34:20,550 --> 02:34:19,680
well that's what the show is all about

3702
02:34:25,670 --> 02:34:20,560
to

3703
02:34:27,750 --> 02:34:25,680
listeners that not everything is cut and

3704
02:34:28,550 --> 02:34:27,760
dry there are other possibilities out

3705
02:34:30,230 --> 02:34:28,560
there

3706
02:34:31,429 --> 02:34:30,240
but where do you think this research is

3707
02:34:33,429 --> 02:34:31,439
going to take us we have a couple of

3708
02:34:35,510 --> 02:34:33,439
minutes left alan greenfield do you

3709
02:34:38,790 --> 02:34:35,520
think we're reaching a point where

3710
02:34:41,030 --> 02:34:38,800
science in general will recognize

3711
02:34:43,270 --> 02:34:41,040
other realities in a way that the public

3712
02:34:46,070 --> 02:34:43,280
understands that to be

3713
02:34:48,389 --> 02:34:46,080
yes i think we're reaching actually

3714
02:34:52,309 --> 02:34:48,399
i think this will be reflected in fields

3715
02:34:55,190 --> 02:34:52,319
like ufology which are you know

3716
02:34:57,590 --> 02:34:55,200
not central to scientific interest at

3717
02:35:00,230 --> 02:34:57,600
this point in history we'll say

3718
02:35:01,750 --> 02:35:00,240
but we are on the edge

3719
02:35:04,790 --> 02:35:01,760
of a

3720
02:35:07,670 --> 02:35:04,800
paradigm shift in science

3721
02:35:10,230 --> 02:35:07,680
it already has happened in the world of

3722
02:35:14,070 --> 02:35:10,240
theoretical physics

3723
02:35:17,990 --> 02:35:14,080
because it's such a bold paradigm shift

3724
02:35:19,429 --> 02:35:18,000
as bold as einstein's paradigm shift at

3725
02:35:21,190 --> 02:35:19,439
the turn of the

3726
02:35:23,270 --> 02:35:21,200
20th century

3727
02:35:26,309 --> 02:35:23,280
i think that it will take quite some

3728
02:35:28,150 --> 02:35:26,319
time and a lot of investigation before

3729
02:35:31,030 --> 02:35:28,160
it becomes

3730
02:35:33,349 --> 02:35:31,040
well we knew it all along uh sort of the

3731
02:35:35,590 --> 02:35:33,359
sort of the way people cope with

3732
02:35:37,349 --> 02:35:35,600
paradigm shifts

3733
02:35:40,469 --> 02:35:37,359
but i think it's going to be a basic

3734
02:35:43,429 --> 02:35:40,479
shift in our understanding of reality

3735
02:35:47,270 --> 02:35:43,439
and when that happens i think that

3736
02:35:50,630 --> 02:35:47,280
ordinary people will at some level

3737
02:35:52,070 --> 02:35:50,640
absorb it and as a result of absorbing

3738
02:35:55,429 --> 02:35:52,080
it i think the

3739
02:35:57,349 --> 02:35:55,439
quality of the experiences

3740
02:36:00,710 --> 02:35:57,359
will become clearer

3741
02:36:02,870 --> 02:36:00,720
and we'll be able to investigate them

3742
02:36:06,309 --> 02:36:02,880
with a

3743
02:36:09,349 --> 02:36:06,319
better set of tools in a context that

3744
02:36:10,710 --> 02:36:09,359
will be more replicable

3745
02:36:13,349 --> 02:36:10,720
than

3746
02:36:15,510 --> 02:36:13,359
we have had following

3747
02:36:17,030 --> 02:36:15,520
chasing the flying saucers to use great

3748
02:36:19,990 --> 02:36:17,040
barker's term

3749
02:36:24,230 --> 02:36:20,000
uh as if they were aliens from

3750
02:36:26,469 --> 02:36:24,240
alpha centauri or beetlejuice or

3751
02:36:28,550 --> 02:36:26,479
aldebaran or wherever they are imagined

3752
02:36:30,070 --> 02:36:28,560
to be none of which by the way are good

3753
02:36:31,990 --> 02:36:30,080
candidates

3754
02:36:34,469 --> 02:36:32,000
we can go so much further with this but

3755
02:36:35,990 --> 02:36:34,479
we'll have to have alan back again soon

3756
02:36:38,230 --> 02:36:36,000
it's been quite a while we're just

3757
02:36:39,670 --> 02:36:38,240
catching up alan greenfield to tell our

3758
02:36:42,150 --> 02:36:39,680
listeners where we can find more of the

3759
02:36:44,870 --> 02:36:42,160
stuff you do i get asked that question i

3760
02:36:46,870 --> 02:36:44,880
love it you can certainly read my

3761
02:36:49,270 --> 02:36:46,880
current book the complete ride of

3762
02:36:51,510 --> 02:36:49,280
memphis it's available from amazon and

3763
02:36:53,990 --> 02:36:51,520
probably other sources but that's who

3764
02:36:55,270 --> 02:36:54,000
sends me my royalty checks it's uh it's

3765
02:36:58,790 --> 02:36:55,280
a look at the

3766
02:37:01,670 --> 02:36:58,800
the occult aspects of this that probably

3767
02:37:02,950 --> 02:37:01,680
a lot of your listeners uh are not

3768
02:37:05,030 --> 02:37:02,960
acquainted with

3769
02:37:07,349 --> 02:37:05,040
there's also angel spells which is a

3770
02:37:10,070 --> 02:37:07,359
more down-to-earth look at the same sort

3771
02:37:10,870 --> 02:37:10,080
of material that i did with tim beckley

3772
02:37:13,590 --> 02:37:10,880
and

3773
02:37:15,750 --> 02:37:13,600
other good folks but the best thing to

3774
02:37:18,230 --> 02:37:15,760
do if you have a general interest in the

3775
02:37:20,070 --> 02:37:18,240
sort of things that i am saying and that

3776
02:37:22,790 --> 02:37:20,080
we've by no means

3777
02:37:24,550 --> 02:37:22,800
gone from boundary to boundary on this

3778
02:37:26,070 --> 02:37:24,560
just look up my name i've been on the

3779
02:37:28,710 --> 02:37:26,080
internet since before it was the

3780
02:37:30,309 --> 02:37:28,720
internet if you just google my name alan

3781
02:37:35,270 --> 02:37:30,319
a-l-l-e-n

3782
02:37:40,790 --> 02:37:38,550
you'll find a host of material about

3783
02:37:43,190 --> 02:37:40,800
what i do what i don't do

3784
02:37:45,270 --> 02:37:43,200
and pick and choose that's the wonder of

3785
02:37:47,110 --> 02:37:45,280
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3786
02:37:48,950 --> 02:37:47,120
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02:37:51,030 --> 02:37:48,960
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02:37:55,710 --> 02:37:53,600
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02:38:01,590 --> 02:37:59,600
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3809
02:38:51,250 --> 02:38:42,060
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